which is worse: run and jab or lay and pray?

[shadyasfok]

discuss

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

Both suck.

[Tsar]

run and jab.

[shadyasfok]

Both suck.

then why do you have one of those fighters in your sig?

[shadyasfok]

run and jab.

YES!

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

then why do you have one of those fighters in your sig?

You aren't making sense. Jardine is a whirlwind of legkicks and pain.

[shadyasfok]

You aren't making sense. Jardine is a whirlwind of legkicks and pain.

you're pretty fucked when your greatest offensive weapon is leg kicks

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

you're pretty fucked when your greatest offensive weapon is leg kicks

Rizzo had a decent career.

Like a baseball bat at 80mph:hesrocked:

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

Leg kicks beat your boy.

[shadyasfok]

no, the judges did

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

Page shouldn't have left it to the judges. Jardine didn't let Forrest steal a dec.

[shadyasfok]

neither forrest nor jardine will ever come close to getting a title shot

[HHJ]

Leg kicks are highly underrated. If you think you dont need to check then, well that is how you lose fights. Jardine wears you down quickly and then his herky jerk style is difficult to stop once it gets going. Thiago doesnt appear to me to be a particularly smart fighter, or good at standup. He can take a punch and can finish from the mount but thats all he has. No real dominating performances

[shadyasfok]

Leg kicks are highly underrated. If you think you dont need to check then, well that is how you lose fights. Jardine wears you down quickly and then his herky jerk style is difficult to stop once it gets going. Thiago doesnt appeae to me to be a particularly smart fighter, or good at standup. He can take a punch and can finish from the mount but thats all he has. No real dominating performances

silva is a bad matchup for jardine, he has the same style as houston and wand. thiago finishes this inside of 2 rounds

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

neither forrest nor jardine will ever come close to getting a title shot

I agree. Page won't get one either though.

[shadyasfok]

I agree. Page won't get one either though.

yes he will

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

yes he will

No, he won't

[shadyasfok]

No, he won't

rampage will destroy rashad and challenge for the belt

[HHJ]

silva is a bad matchup for jardine, he has the same style as houston and wand. thiago finishes this inside of 2 rounds

He may try to fight like them, but fails at it ala alessio sakara. Hes a ground and pounder and thats all hes got. He gets tooled on the feet

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

rampage will destroy rashad and challenge for the belt

No, he won't

[shadyasfok]

why is tcm so anti-thiago, you would think everyone would love the exciting brazilian striker with a surname of silva

[shadyasfok]

No, he won't

yes he will, tell me how rashad can possibly beat rampage. rampage is better at everything than rashad. it's the same thing as lesnar vs. carwin

[HHJ]

I dont mind him, i admire his toughness. But he has no extraordinary talents and your overrating him. He really has no impressive fights imo

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

yes he will, tell me how rashad can possibly beat rampage. rampage is better at everything than rashad. it's the same thing as lesnar vs. carwin

Better wrestler, better footwork, faster hands, better camp

[shadyasfok]

I dont mind him, i admire his toughness. But he has no extraordinary talents and your overrating him. He really has no impressive fights imo

jardine's never really been that impressive either. his claim to fame was winning a split decision against a past his prime liddell

[HHJ]

I just think jardines been more effective,and has the technical skills to pay the bills

[shadyasfok]

Better wrestler, better footwork, faster hands, better camp

better wrestler? rashad got taken down by bisbing, rampage outwrestled hendo

better footwork? it's more for show than anything, it sure worked against machida

faster hands? i disagree, rampage has much better hands as well as defense

better camp? rampage already beat jardine from that same camp. so that means fuck all

[SexeCute]

Lay and pray is for faggots.

[HHJ]

Run and jab is alot riskier than lnp

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

better wrestler? rashad got taken down by bisbing, rampage outwrestled hendo

better footwork? it's more for show than anything, it sure worked against machida

faster hands? i disagree, rampage has much better hands as well as defense

better camp? rampage already beat jardine from that same camp. so that means fuck all

I am not surprised that you disagree with all of them.

[shadyasfok]

do you seriously think rashad will beat rampage? this is on par with thinking forrest would beat anderson or kenflo would beat bj

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

do you seriously think rashad will beat rampage? this is on par with thinking forrest would beat anderson or kenflo would beat bj

Yes. No, it is not on par with either of those examples.

[shadyasfok]

Run and jab is alot riskier than lnp

i look at it as running from the fight, at least in lay and pray, you're trying to smother your opponent and nullify his offense. running and jabbing is just avoiding the fight altogether

[shadyasfok]

Yes. No, it is not on par with either of those examples.

how so?

[shadyasfok]

weren't you one of the guys who picked forrest over anderson?

[HHJ]

Saf even you admitted that it could be foty. So its a competitive fight. Why so you think its such a lock that only rampage could come out on top?

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

Kenny is a turd and Forrest is retarded.

[shadyasfok]

Kenny is a turd and Forrest is retarded.

YES!

[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

weren't you one of the guys who picked forrest over anderson?

No. I told you yesterday that I had Silva KO round 2

[shadyasfok]

Saf even you admitted that it could be foty. So its a competitive fight. Why so you think its such a lock that only rampage could come out on top?

rampage will murder him

[shadyasfok]

war eggs of satan

[HHJ]

Such a bandwafon jumper. All of a sudden you hate kenny

[shadyasfok]

i only initially picked him because i hated bj, but really i don't really like kenny any more than bj

[HHJ]

Thats a load of crap. You hated bj, you didnt hate kenny, stop trolling

[vincent_vega]

I'm watching the countdown.

[Bones of Satan]

lnp is worse from a viewers perspective

at least with run and jab there is soem expensive that maybe the guy being screwed can land a lucky punch or there is some trash talk like nate quarry kalib starnes which makes it some waht entertaining

lnp is horrible because normally the guy on the bottom is to weak to reverse position, do anything, and stop takedowns.... so u have to watch the equivalent of a homo erotic porn for 3 or 5 rounds

[HHJ]

I just dont see too much run and jab. Lnp is everywhere. And unlike pride theres really no deterrent

[shadyasfok]

lnp is worse from a viewers perspective

at least with run and jab there is soem expensive that maybe the guy being screwed can land a lucky punch or there is some trash talk like nate quarry kalib starnes which makes it some waht entertaining

lnp is horrible because normally the guy on the bottom is to weak to reverse position, do anything, and stop takedowns.... so u have to watch the equivalent of a homo erotic porn for 3 or 5 rounds

then why did you vote for run and jab

[Bones of Satan]

ran and jab really took off with machida

I just dont see too much run and jab. Lnp is everywhere. And unlike pride theres really no deterrent

[shadyasfok]

run and jab pisses me off more cuz all the elitist pricks are like "you don't understand the intricacies of running away and being elusive"

wtf, this is the shit machida fans use

[HHJ]

Machida is perfection. And it wasnr a jab that ktfo rashad and your boy thiago

[shadyasfok]

we have kalib starnes to thank for this shit, eggs

go go canada

[HHJ]

Its not run and jab when your opponent is koed into next week

[Bones of Satan]

i did it by mistake

then why did you vote for run and jab

[Bones of Satan]

lnp is the same you have the eltist saying you don't appreciate the finer details of the ground game and just want to see brawls

id much rather see a run and jab fight then a lnp won

and machida did it first with sam hoger, david heath

run and jab pisses me off more cuz all the elitist pricks are like "you don't understand the intricacies of running away and being elusive"

wtf, this is the shit machida fans use

[JihadMeAtHello]

i hate the loosey goosey, it's a cowards way to win

[shadyasfok]

in a real fight, lay and pray might actually work long enough for you to call up one of your buddies and then gang up on the poor fucker. but running and jabbing will never work in a real fight, the other guy is gonna be like "fuck this shit" and pull out a gun

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I just dont see too much run and jab. Lnp is everywhere. And unlike pride theres really no deterrent

PRIDE had some of the most boring fucking fights I've ever seen

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

at least they sort of wisened up and instituted yellow cards, renzo gracie vs jap can for 7 rounds is pretty much unbearable

yellow cards helped out somewhat but it didnt work 100%, there were still boring pieces of shit like schembri etc.

[HHJ]

Yeah but schembri would suck wherever he went

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

probably one of my least favorite fighters of all time, a schembri fight was just, well you know it was fucking terrible I think the only thing he ever managed to do noteworthy was KO sakuraba with a knee

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

and then he lost the next however many times they fought

[El Duce]

probably one of my least favorite fighters of all time, a schembri fight was just, well you know it was fucking terrible I think the only thing he ever managed to do noteworthy was KO sakuraba with a knee

That is one of the craziest comebacks ever. I love Sakuraba, but that fight was awesome.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

you might be thinking of sakuraba vs smirnovas

[El Duce]

I'm not.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I never associate schembri with exciting fights and it's been awhile since I've watched that fight

[El Duce]

He was getting his ass kicked until Sakuraba decided to get all fancy and goofy, then he ate that knee and gorilla punches to the back.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

yeah thats how the fight was going, all I remember was him kneeing Sakuraba its been a few years

[Jimbo]

better wrestler? rashad got taken down by bisbing, rampage outwrestled hendo

better footwork? it's more for show than anything, it sure worked against machida

faster hands? i disagree, rampage has much better hands as well as defense

better camp? rampage already beat jardine from that same camp. so that means fuck all
you think footwork is more for show than anything?

[shadyasfok]

you think footwork is more for show than anything?

rashad's footwork, yes

[shadyasfok]

remember everyone was sayin kenflo had better footwork than bj? look how that went

[shadyasfok]

and ppl said brit can had better footwork than hendo

[Jimbo]

remember everyone was sayin kenflo had better footwork than bj? look how that went
Nobody knowledgeable in boxing said that as far as I know. I sure as hell didn't.

[shadyasfok]

point is rashad isn't gonna beat page by better footwork. rampage is the much better boxer, and i don't think rashad will have much of an advantage in the wrestling if at all. page is a very strong dude

[shadyasfok]

silva is a bad matchup for jardine, he has the same style as houston and wand. thiago finishes this inside of 2 rounds

ttt