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stulecanem
11-04-2009, 11:14 PM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/4/1115399/report-brock-lesnar-will-not-fight

Sources close to Brock Lesnar's camp informed Heavy.com tonight that Lesnar will not be able to participate in the postponed main event of UFC 108 against Shane Carwin.
Lesnar has battled an undisclosed illness for the past month that forced him to withdraw from a scheduled title defense against Carwin at UFC 106. The bout was rescheduled for UFC 108, but Heavy.com learned earlier this week that Lesnar has not recovered from the illness and cannot train at even a moderate page without quickly becoming exhausted.
A source close to the UFC confirmed the story while pointing out that Lesnar was never officially part of the UFC 108 card.
Word is, Lesnar has mononucleosis (https://health.google.com/health/ref/Mononucleosis), not H1N1.
The question in my mind is whether or not the just-announced (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/4/1115148/cain-velasquez-vs-antonio-rodrigo) Cain Velasquez vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira fight will be for an interim title.
The other thought is, what a drag for Shane Carwin.


It's probably mono or Lyme disease which is common for deer hunters

HOODS
11-04-2009, 11:16 PM
dana rags on strikeforce title holders never defending their belts, so he's full of shit, if he was a man of his word he would strip brock of his title if he cant defend for an entire year, thats fucking bullshit.

stulecanem
11-04-2009, 11:17 PM
dana rags on strikeforce title holders never defending their belts, so he's full of shit, if he was a man of his word he would strip brock of his title if he cant defend for an entire year, thats fucking bullshit.

Why the brock hate so bad?

I agree if the fighters can't defend for over a year they need to put the belt up.

Tsar
11-04-2009, 11:21 PM
dana rags on strikeforce title holders never defending their belts, so he's full of shit, if he was a man of his word he would strip brock of his title if he cant defend for an entire year, thats fucking bullshit.

how long's it been? most titleholders barely fight twice a year. he just beat mir a couple months ago. there's still time.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-04-2009, 11:25 PM
He is using his whore wife as an excuse.

Saska
11-04-2009, 11:42 PM
Mono is harsh. My buddy had it without knowing it and played a game of hockey. He got speared in the spleen and it split in half and he almost died. True story.

stretcharmstrong
11-04-2009, 11:50 PM
aren't steroids prescribed for Mono? he should be good then...

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:00 AM
fuck you stool

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 12:04 AM
learn to post you fucking retard or stay in the main posting drunken morrissey threads. At least Morrissey pwns.

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:04 AM
Make it so we can post giant pics

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 12:05 AM
Make it so we can post giant pics

Do you promise to stop making horrendously shit posts in the MMA section?

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 12:06 AM
learn to post you fucking retard or stay in the main posting drunken morrissey threads. At least Morrissey pwns.

lol, what did he post

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 12:08 AM
one of his typical shit posts I don't even remember

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:08 AM
Do you promise to stop making horrendously shit posts in the MMA section?

I'll try

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 12:09 AM
I'll try

I'll see what I can do. I miss morrissey and funk bombs

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 12:55 AM
I sense an interim title fight on the horizon.

AO!
11-05-2009, 07:41 AM
ufc HW interim title again? thats like what 5 in 4 years?

HOODS
11-05-2009, 08:58 AM
Why the brock hate so bad?

I agree if the fighters can't defend for over a year they need to put the belt up.

how long's it been? most titleholders barely fight twice a year. he just beat mir a couple months ago. there's still time.

i dont "hate" him, i just want to see him defend his belt and see if hes legit or not, to me hes still unproven. He outwrestled a guy he outweighed by 50-60 pounds if not more than that. And beat frank mir. Call me an asshole, but im not impressed.

And it seems like he hasnt fought in forever, to me it seems bj has fought gsp, kenny, and now sanchez in the same span of time brock only fought mir. Not gonna check the stats, could be wrong on that but im too lazy to check it.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 08:59 AM
Lesnar must really be scared of Carwin

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 08:59 AM
he has defended his belt

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 09:00 AM
NEED MORE HGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 09:00 AM
i dont "hate" him, i just want to see him defend his belt and see if hes legit or not, to me hes still unproven. He outwrestled a guy he outweighed by 50-60 pounds if not more than that. And beat frank mir. Call me an asshole, but im not impressed.

And it seems like he hasnt fought in forever, to me it seems bj has fought gsp, kenny, and now sanchez in the same span of time brock only fought mir. Not gonna check the stats, could be wrong on that but im too lazy to check it.

and lesnar fought more than bj last year, what's your point?

remember bj putting the lw title on hold to fight gsp?

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 09:01 AM
I think Tsar's right on the timing. There was a pretty big gap after the randy fight though.

I agree he's still partially unproven. He did beat good fighters though. Yeah, he's bigger than Randy and Mir too for that matter but those guys are in his weight class challenging him so I don't hold it against him.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 09:01 AM
Keep the shit posts to a minimum Artard

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 09:02 AM
I think Tsar's right on the timing. There was a pretty big gap after the randy fight though.

I agree he's still partially unproven. He did beat good fighters though. Yeah, he's bigger than Randy and Mir too for that matter but those guys are in his weight class challenging him so I don't hold it against him.

mir and herring aren't that small, they're bigger than carwin

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 09:06 AM
Shit post's? That shit is gold right there

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 09:08 AM
There were 2-3 mante posts in here that already got deleted. Yours will join them if you keep it up

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 09:13 AM
Fucking Nazi ass mofo's

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 09:13 AM
The HGH post was uncalled for, I apologize.

HOODS
11-05-2009, 09:21 AM
and lesnar fought more than bj last year, what's your point?

remember bj putting the lw title on hold to fight gsp?

i think my point is rather clear.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 09:55 AM
Did my Badd Blaster post get deleted?

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:00 AM
all shit posts are being deleted.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:02 AM
You should be down to about 14 posts then.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:03 AM
gotten to

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:09 AM
All this deleting of post's is a little retarded IMO

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 10:10 AM
maybe you shouldn't make retarded posts, imo

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:11 AM
LOL @ you talking about people and retarded post's. You're the king of stupidity and retarded post's

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:11 AM
maybe you shouldn't make retarded posts, imo

LOL you shouldn't even be allowed in the MMA forum. It would take all the mods here to clean up your MMA bullshit.

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 10:11 AM
you think kimbo is gonna come back and be in the finals

/thread

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 10:12 AM
LOL you shouldn't even be allowed in the MMA forum. It would take all the mods here to clean up your MMA bullshit.

the mods are on my side, imo

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:12 AM
This thread is about Lesnar's fight being postponed, a post about Kimbo is not the end of the thread

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:13 AM
The mods are faggot Lesnar nuthuggers like you, why wouldn't they be on your side?

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:13 AM
QFT. Also, how doesn't Lesnar's whore wife giving him mono pertain to the subject?

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:14 AM
the mods are on my side, imo

Correct.


SAF counter trolls when people start in on him but he usually posts legit MMA.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:14 AM
QFT. Also, how doesn't Lesnar's whore wife giving him mono not pertain to the subject?

Take that garbage back to sherdog

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:16 AM
Stool probably gets mono a lot too.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:16 AM
stool has aids

___
11-05-2009, 10:18 AM
dana rags on strikeforce title holders never defending their belts, so he's full of shit, if he was a man of his word he would strip brock of his title if he cant defend for an entire year, thats fucking bullshit.

You want him to be stripped because he got sick 3 months after his last defense? I know you're not that retarded.

And to whoever said that 'he waited' a long time between Randy and Mir II, he had to. It was part of that 4-man tourney, so he fought, then had to wait for Mir/Nog. Then he was scheduled for Mir at UFC 98, but Mir got hurt. That's why Machida got his title shot, because he was ready to fill in and they could bump Brock/Mir to UFC 100.

The mods are faggot Lesnar nuthuggers like you, why wouldn't they be on your side?

*deletes*

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:22 AM
Hey just cause you douche's can;t make a reasonably intelligent post doesn't mean some of the other people here don't want to actually discuss MMA.

I don't care if you troll sometimes but every other post out of your face holes is "someone ducking" "can" MURDER CAN DUCK

It gets old.

Post something worth a shit or stay in the OT.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:22 AM
You want him to be stripped because he got sick 3 months after his last defense? I know you're not that retarded.

And to whoever said that 'he waited' a long time between Randy and Mir II, he had to. It was part of that 4-man tourney, so he fought, then had to wait for Mir/Nog. Then he was scheduled for Mir at UFC 98, but Mir got hurt. That's why Machida got his title shot, because he was ready to fill in and they could bump Brock/Mir to UFC 100.



*deletes*

^This is how you ppst

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:23 AM
wow, you guys suck.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:26 AM
wow, you guys suck.

You can do better than 3 word posts about how someone sucks.

HOODS Shat all over lesnar but at least he put some thought into it.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:27 AM
3 word posts are simple, i don't like wasting to much time into thinking things out.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:30 AM
I'm asking nicely, please?

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:31 AM
Somethings don't need more than 3 words to get the point across.

IE
Lesnar is can
Lesnar does roids
Lesnar married whore
Lesnar cock tattoo
Lesnar lucky punch
Lesnar ducked Carwin
Lesnar WWF faggot
Lesnar kisses men

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:33 AM
I'll do my best, Stool. Unfortunately I can't promise anything good will come out of it, my best usually ends up falling short.

___
11-05-2009, 10:33 AM
Are you two really incapable of posting normally?

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:34 AM
I am legally retarded if that answers your question.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:35 AM
I'll make it simple then, post something worth a shit or you won't have access to this forum.

___
11-05-2009, 10:37 AM
It's not like you can't troll, but most of this forum recently has been the same 3-4 people trying to out-retard the next.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:37 AM
Everyone of those can be substantiated.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:37 AM
gotten to

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:39 AM
Not gotten to at all. I like both of you guys and would rather that you post something worth a shit.

___
11-05-2009, 10:41 AM
Everyone of those can be substantiated.

Then substantiate them.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 10:42 AM
I'll chill with the retarded BS, I apologize for any inconvenience i have caused for you guys or any other fellow posters.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
Somethings don't need more than 3 words to get the point across.

IE
Lesnar is can
Lesnar does roids
Lesnar married whore
Lesnar cock tattoo
Lesnar lucky punch
Lesnar ducked Carwin
Lesnar WWF faggot
Lesnar kisses men

Self explanatory

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Htp76pd6K-TYrM:http://www.clumsycrooks.com/media/files10/mugshots/brock_lesnar.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i6NzV3IOSZQ/Rtu5XpMk1RI/AAAAAAAABJY/eSFDl1DyZ8U/s1600/Sable%2B10.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_A-BuaZadSTc/SmRgH-ZGXUI/AAAAAAAAAFs/bYTRMrVmRrA/s320/brockjw4.jpg

Seriously, how did he even land that punch on Couture?

See sig

See WWF career

http://www.judochop.us/media/11/20040728-brocksmooch.jpg

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
Ok Cozy, you can come back tomorrow, your access is revoked for today

AO!
11-05-2009, 10:50 AM
lol. i like the heavies recreation you have going on here.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:50 AM
lol. i like the heavies recreation you have going on here.

Exactly

AO!
11-05-2009, 10:58 AM
i guess it keep shit moving but jesus, if all you can offer to a thread is "fighter x is a faggot" thats pretty fucking sad.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 10:59 AM
i guess it keep shit moving but jesus, if all you can offer to a thread is "fighter x is a faggot" thats pretty fucking sad.

Wig and I are cracking down

___
11-05-2009, 11:00 AM
It just got a bit out of hand. We need to rewind pre-Fedor/AA

AO!
11-05-2009, 11:03 AM
fighter x is clearly a faggot though

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 11:03 AM
It just got a bit out of hand. We need to rewind pre-Fedor/AA

Yes and although that trolling was funny I wish I could go take it back. It ws teh first domino to fall.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 11:04 AM
It just got a bit out of hand. We need to rewind pre-Fedor/AA

That was when it started getting all retarded. Everyone was all over the AA>Fedor BS and things have never settled down since.

___
11-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Well I think you guys have gotten your payback for the pro-AA trolling, let's get back to normal now

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 11:08 AM
I concur, that's a good idea.

Chad Hogan
11-05-2009, 11:12 AM
lol

This is the worst case of ducking I have ever seen in my life. He must be shit scared of carwin and feels he needs to train for another year to prepare. Carwin should look for him in the woods when he's deer hunting and kick fuck right out of him.

AO!
11-05-2009, 11:13 AM
lol

This is the worst case of ducking I have ever seen in my life. He must be shit scared of carwin and feels he needs to train for another year to prepare. Carwin should look for him in the woods when he's deer hunting and kick fuck right out of him.

yea that or he has mono.

___
11-05-2009, 11:22 AM
None of us can hold burt down.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 11:33 AM
This is still fucked up. Big Nog goes in after a staph infection and a broken esophagus or whatever and still fights. Sure, he got destroyed by Mir and knocked out for the first time in his career but it's the principle dammit.

___
11-05-2009, 11:38 AM
Yeah, I'd much rather have a fighter lose in a horrible performance and then make excuses for the next 5 years, as opposed to delaying it until he can put on a good show.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 11:39 AM
I like to see people fight through adversity. I watched Miracle today. I was moved.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 11:42 AM
I honestly don't think Brock's sick, I just think hes nervous of fighting someone like Carwin. All Brock has ever fought are either cans or people who are midgets compared to him and he was able to use his size and strength in his favor and overpower his opponents. He won't be able to take Carwin down and hold him down like all the fights in the past, I think hes scared that Carwins superior power & striking will be a big factor in the fight and he wants to make excuses and take this extra time to try to improve his stand up.

AO!
11-05-2009, 11:47 AM
i wonder if the athletic commision has to be notified if he isnt medically cleared to fight.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 11:54 AM
I don't think I'm ready to 100% say that Brock's ducking but shit, that video of him at a football game didn't help his case at all.

super hot
11-05-2009, 11:56 AM
I honestly don't think Brock's sick, I just think hes nervous of fighting someone like Carwin. All Brock has ever fought are either cans or people who are midgets compared to him and he was able to use his size and strength in his favor and overpower his opponents. He won't be able to take Carwin down and hold him down like all the fights in the past, I think hes scared that Carwins superior power & striking will be a big factor in the fight and he wants to make excuses and take this extra time to try to improve his stand up.

I couldn't have said this better myself. This dude is still brand new to mma. There's going to be a day where he won't be able to use his size to dominate his opponent, eventually he's going to have to acquire some skill. Postponing his fight due to an alleged illness is a perfect excuse to have more time to train.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 12:43 PM
Randy was giving Brock a good run for his money in the 1st round, Lesnar was visibly winded afterward, and the size difference there was sickening. Just think if Carwin can Greco the same as Randy. Brock will be fucked no matter what shape he comes in at.

Octavian
11-05-2009, 12:46 PM
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/4/1115399/report-brock-lesnar-will-not-fight



It's probably mono or Lyme disease which is common for deer hunters

dude... if it's lyme disease, that will be a MAJOR blow to Lesnar.... that would impact his training for the rest of his career in the sport

lyme is no fucking joke

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 12:47 PM
My wife and daughter both got lyme last year

___
11-05-2009, 12:48 PM
I'm just going to stay out of this and laugh when he beats the shit out of Carwin.

Y'all need to lost the tinfoil if you think that Brock is scared of Carwin. The guy is a loon. That's like saying BJ is afraid to fight someone.

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:49 PM
lol pwnt

"I am honored to be considered the contender, and I will wait for however long it takes to fight a healthy Brock Lesnar," Carwin said. "I would suggest that he visits a Max Muscle Sports Nutrition near him as they have been a key to keeping me healthy and moving forward.

Chad Hogan
11-05-2009, 12:50 PM
I couldn't have said this better myself. This dude is still brand new to mma. There's going to be a day where he won't be able to use his size to dominate his opponent, eventually he's going to have to acquire some skill. Postponing his fight due to an alleged illness is a perfect excuse to have more time to train.

I more or less just said the same thing a page before you fat greasy unwashed stinking psychology damaged faggot

Octavian
11-05-2009, 12:50 PM
My wife and daughter both got lyme last year

I hope they're ok... as for Brock - Lyme can cause all sorts of long term illnesses (apparently)... the fatigue and potential for arthritis are the biggies for a fighter

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 12:50 PM
The facts are right before us, wig. You just choose to ignore them.

___
11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
The facts are right before us, wig. You just choose to ignore them.

Show me one fact.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 12:51 PM
I'm just going to stay out of this and laugh when he beats the shit out of Carwin.

Y'all need to lost the tinfoil if you think that Brock is scared of Carwin. The guy is a loon. That's like saying BJ is afraid to fight someone.
lol you are way off. I dub thee "Replacement Sorrid".

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 12:52 PM
First it was said he had swine flu, then mono and now lyme's? Which one is it?

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
I more or less just said the same thing a page before you fat greasy unwashed stinking psychology damaged faggot

shut the fuck up, british can. you're posts are just so insignificant that I choose to skip over everyone except for the ones I'm quoted.

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
First it was said he had swine flu, then mono and now lyme's? Which one is it?

Inquiring minds want to know. And wig too.

super hot
11-05-2009, 12:53 PM
I should delete wigs last post for trolling

___
11-05-2009, 12:59 PM
First it was said he had swine flu, then mono and now lyme's? Which one is it?

It was never swin flu. He said he was sick and Carwin tried outdoing him by saying he had swine flu, but still trained through it because he's so cool.

Stool said it sounds like mono or swine flu, not Brock. So to me it sounds like Brock, nor his camp, have come out and said exactly what it is.

super hot
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
It sounds like brock's camp is just coming up with random excuses just to buy him more time.

___
11-05-2009, 01:00 PM
lol you are way off. I dub thee "Replacement Sorrid".

Yeah, ok. If he was scared of losing a fight, why did he take Mir as his first real fight as opposed to a guy like Kongo or Herring?

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 01:03 PM
It was never swin flu. He said he was sick and Carwin tried outdoing him by saying he had swine flu, but still trained through it because he's so cool.

Stool said it sounds like mono or swine flu, not Brock. So to me it sounds like Brock, nor his camp, have come out and said exactly what it is.

The article said rumor was mono. I suggested maybe it was lyme.

Who the fuck knows but I do think something is wrong.

___
11-05-2009, 01:05 PM
The article said rumor was mono. I suggested maybe it was lyme.

Who the fuck knows but I do think something is wrong.

So these retards took Carwin saying he had swine flu and you speculating on something because your family had it, then turned it into Brock's camp making up a bunch of random excuses. Worst part is they really believe it.

super hot
11-05-2009, 01:06 PM
here's the answer

"Brock has mono, and what the UFC has told me is that I have earned the title [shot] but I have to wait for the title holder," he wrote on shane-carwin.com. "I hope Brock gets well soon."

super hot
11-05-2009, 01:07 PM
His wife was probably messing with some dirty boys again.

stulecanem
11-05-2009, 01:07 PM
So these retards took Carwin saying he had swine flu and you speculating on something because your family had it, then turned it into Brock's camp making up a bunch of random excuses. Worst part is they really believe it.

Tough crowd to convince :umlolpeanut:

___
11-05-2009, 01:09 PM
So if someone get mono for a month or two, they're supposed to stay home the entire time. If they go to a hometown football game, it's all fake.

Slating someone for not wanting to train 8 weeks for a huge fight, with mono, speaks loudly of a lot of people here.

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 01:12 PM
Either way hes in for a world of hurt, the Carwin pain train is coming full steam ahead.

super hot
11-05-2009, 01:14 PM
I agree, Artard. I'm tired of seeing these WWE clowns making a mockery out of this sport. I'm pretty sure Vince McMahon is probably laughing all the way to the bank on this shit.

Chad Hogan
11-05-2009, 01:16 PM
Instead of Brock shooting ducks; he's become the duck

Octavian
11-05-2009, 01:26 PM
Mono suuuuucks... I had that shit in college - nearly burst my insides

Meaty Portion
11-05-2009, 02:39 PM
Yeah, ok. If he was scared of losing a fight, why did he take Mir as his first real fight as opposed to a guy like Kongo or Herring?
Dude, you and I both know that there was no way Mir was going to beat Brock again. He got lucky the first time.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
11-05-2009, 03:22 PM
I really think Brock has won his few mma fights due to size alone. He is going to get legit smoked.
Whenever he recovers from the disease that his whore wife gave him

___
11-05-2009, 03:25 PM
Dude, you and I both know that there was no way Mir was going to beat Brock again. He got lucky the first time.

I agree with half of that. But the only reason he got lucky the first time is in regards to the point reduction, that was shit. The sub wasn't luck, it was skill and experience.

WAR RANDLEMAN!
11-05-2009, 04:47 PM
terrible news hope he makes a full recovery

Susan
11-05-2009, 05:01 PM
My wife and daughter both got lyme last year

shit, really? how sick were they?? i had 2 ticks on me a couple of months ago. it was really icky.

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 05:18 PM
It just got a bit out of hand. We need to rewind pre-Fedor/AA

lol, stool was behind that actually

shadyasfok
11-05-2009, 05:22 PM
terrible news hope he makes a full recovery

your sig should have marcus holding wessel's arm in 1 hand and his head in another

AndyWang4eva
11-05-2009, 05:59 PM
I hope it aint what Lyle Alzado caught when he was juicin

ArtardFiesta
11-05-2009, 06:12 PM
I hope it aint what Lyle Alzado caught when he was juicin

There's a great chance that it could be. What exactly is it that Lyle got sick with?

Meaty Portion
11-06-2009, 12:44 AM
I agree with half of that. But the only reason he got lucky the first time is in regards to the point reduction, that was shit. The sub wasn't luck, it was skill and experience.
I'll see your half agreement and meet you likewise: getting caught in the sub was inexperience on Lesner's part. Even he admitted that he panicked and scrambled, making things worse. It was a nice sub, although pretty loose. A more experienced fighter might've gotten out of that one. Mir wasn't catching him in that again. Mazzagatti's moustache also had some money bet on Mir.