A look at Lil Nog's great boxing

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I really enjoy this, I've wanted for fighters with very solid boxing skills to start making their way into MMA or improving their game to get to that level and Lil Nog looks to be one of them

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the way he parries jabs then lands the left hook is impressive
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[AO!]

he has great accuracy thats fo sho. did he ever end up making the cut when he tried out for the cuban team or whatever he did.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I'm not sure about that, I know he trains with them though here are some accomplishments he has
Nogueira has long competed as an amateur boxer at a very high level. In 2006 he took the Gold Medal in the Super Heavyweight division at the South American Games and in 2007 he took home the Bronze in the 2007 Pan American Games.

[AO!]

i remember reading about him trying to make the olympic team i think.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I've always wanted this though, a really exceptional boxer or fighter with good boxing skills making their way into mma because honestly it's just not been there yet, but it's starting to actually happen which is a very good thing

[b_]

i remember reading about him trying to make the olympic team i think.

i think he was just training with cuba's olympic boxing team

[stulecanem]

I've always wanted this though, a really exceptional boxer or fighter with good boxing skills making their way into mma because honestly it's just not been there yet, but it's starting to actually happen which is a very good thing

Yeah and what a dangerous mix he is with his BJJ skills.

[whitey]

Wrestling > boxing

[AO!]

Wrestling > boxing

what a lovely trolling blanket statement,

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol at wr pretending he's a boxing fan

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I watch mma more now but I used to watch boxing regularly

[babyboneswordsman]

that's some street fighter shit
to parry and then combo an attack

[Buckfutts]

I am I seeing things here? WR supporting striking over wrestling?

[babyboneswordsman]

I'm seeing things here burt using punctuation

[Buckfutts]

Wrestling > boxing

Oh really? Whats the most popular richer sport around the world?

Are there more famous Boxers or wrestlers?

[Tsar]

I'm seeing things here burt using punctuation

lmao @ bsm not knowing about the period. lol!

[Buckfutts]

I'm seeing things here burt using punctuation

It might be an idea for you to use some of your own here sweetie ^^

Also are you going to be logging into your gimmick at fwapped?

[JSN]

lol at wr pretending he's a boxing fanhe did kind of out himself when he talked about parrying when nog didn't parry anything in that fight. he used head movement to counter basically every shot cane threw with power shots.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

muay thai>all

[babyboneswordsman]

It might be an idea for you to use some of your own here sweetie ^^

Also are you going to be logging into your gimmick at fwapped?
sweetie you mind your own business while I do me got it hun? you're about to be sorted in a few

[Shogun Marcus]

muay thai>all

It's better of a base for MMA than boxing yeah, but boxing is still very important when you're in the top tier of MMA.

[___]

I don't think it's necessarily better. Boxing/wrestling is the best I think

[Shogun Marcus]

I don't think it's necessarily better. Boxing/wrestling is the best I think

I guess I was looking at it as a boxer/kickboxer making a cross over to MMA than someone training MMA and just learning what they need to develop their striking. I mean in boxing you've drilled that stance in your head and in MMA you're just leaving yourself wide open for leg kicks and a wrestler grabbing your lead leg for a takedown. Where as Muay Thai tends to have a more square stance.

[HOODS]

shoguns never been knocked out, hes gonna kick machida's legs all night, shoguns "sloppy" striking is bad for a fight against a guy who runs away and then leaps in with straight punches but shogun still has the advantage of closing the distance and taking him down, hes done it to every other fighter hes ever fought so why any difference now? I dont see any. Plus, Shogun is just as fast if not faster than machida, the only point you have is that machida throws straight punches and shogun can get a bit sloppy at times. But you fail to mention shoguns never been knocked out and hes only been dropped once, by lil nog who basically has the skills of a professional boxer.

I missed that, lol. Lil Nog has to be one of the most overrated fighters in history. Besides beating Hendo and outlasting an Overeem that gasses in a minute, he has nothing. Jardine may have a better resume.

as for lil nog i read somewhere that he represents brazil in the olympics for boxing or some shit, and his stand up is extremely technical, comparing him to jardine is just not a comparison at all.

I heard that he sucks dick in the back alleys of Brazil. Doesn't mean he's gonna try and pants a dude and knob him in the cage.

Stick to being a retarded troll. Obviously thinking objectively isn't your strong suit.

[___]

I guess I was looking at it as a boxer/kickboxer making a cross over to MMA than someone training MMA and just learning what they need to develop their striking. I mean in boxing you've drilled that stance in your head and in MMA you're just leaving yourself wide open for leg kicks and a wrestler grabbing your lead leg for a takedown. Where as Muay Thai tends to have a more square stance.

Oh I agree with that. I was thinking along the lines of which art to train for MMA

[HOODS]

wig's credibility just got fucking destroyed.

[Buckfutts]

wig's credibility just got fucking destroyed.

He's just pro UFC and PRIDE hater

[Buckfutts]

He shouldnt be taken seriously at all

[AO!]

Oh I agree with that. I was thinking along the lines of which art to train for MMA

you need all four to be better than average these days. people who are week in one of the four get exposed pretty fast by someone competent.

[AO!]

i spelled weak wrong i suck,

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

you need all four to be better than average these days. people who are week in one of the four get exposed pretty fast by someone competent.

which four?

[Shogun Marcus]

which four?

Wrestling, JJ, Boxing, Muay Thai.

[AO!]

lol which four? what else would you include as a staple?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Wrestling, JJ, Boxing, Muay Thai.

you don't need all 4

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

you need to be simply proficient at 1 striking technique and 1 ground technique

[Oregon]

TKD, Segal stuff, Chuck Norris stuff, and some Curly

[Shogun Marcus]

you don't need all 4

To be a complete fighter, you need at least a little of each four. Unless the fighter is head and shoulders better than the competition in one area, then they might be able to get away with it and that's only for so long. But with the way MMA is progressing soon it's going to be that all four are needed.

[HOODS]

Wrestling, JJ, Boxing, Muay Thai.

whats funny is that if this had been asked before the shogun fight, wig and others would be trying to make a case that karate should be the 5th part of the equation.

It would be happening, in this thread, right now. Believe it.

[Shogun Marcus]

you need to be simply proficient at 1 striking technique and 1 ground technique

ok here's an example of comparing two striking styles. Marcus Davis has some alright hands, but he got fucked up with knees by Saunders. If he trained in both he would have done better than a first round nap.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

karate is interchangeable with muay thai just like judo is interchangeable with wrestling

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

ok here's an example of comparing two striking styles. Marcus Davis has some alright hands, but he got fucked up with knees by Saunders. If he trained in both he would have done better than a first round nap.

are you seriously using that as a comparison?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

davis was mentally scarred by dan hardy and saunders had a big size advantage on him

[Oregon]

when are you gunna start training Solid ?

[Shogun Marcus]

are you seriously using that as a comparison?

only one I could use off the top of my head at the moment. If you want to you can go back to any other fight were a striker with good hands lost via leg kicks/knees or vice versa. The point is a fighter needs to cover their ass in all areas. Their next fight could be against a strong wrestler, strong Muay Thai fighter, strong JJ player and so on, so why not train in every area you can?

[HOODS]

as much as i hate to say it, its pretty much been proven over and over again that an elite/stong wrestler beats an elite jj stylist about 10/10 times. Considering that both of them are only strong in those areas and have shit standup.

[___]

you need all four to be better than average these days. people who are week in one of the four get exposed pretty fast by someone competent.

No you don't.

Here's the champs.

BJ - BJJ, boxing
GSP - kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ
Anderson - BJJ, Muay thai
Machida - karate, sumo, BJJ
Brock - Boxing, wrestling

[HOODS]

nate diaz-stevenson. For example. and he isnt even really top tier wrestler either,

[___]

They obviously cross train everything, but are not close to proficient in other things.

[Buckfutts]

No you don't.

Here's the champs.

BJ - BJJ, boxing
GSP - kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ
Anderson - BJJ, Muay thai
Machida - karate, sumo, BJJ
Brock - Boxing, wrestling

LOL @ Brock having boxing :roflnut:

[HOODS]

GSP - kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ


LOL LOL LOL

http://www.mma-core.com/images/fighters/full/Matt_Serra_1000518.jpg

[Shogun Marcus]

They obviously cross train everything, but are not close to proficient in other things.

Those five guys are the "head and shoulders above comp" examples I was talking about. All those guys are insanely good in one area that they can get away with it. GSP and Anderson are just insanely good period.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

nate diaz-stevenson. For example. and he isnt even really top tier wrestler either,

i was gonna rep you but way to blow it

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

only one I could use off the top of my head at the moment. If you want to you can go back to any other fight were a striker with good hands lost via leg kicks/knees or vice versa. The point is a fighter needs to cover their ass in all areas. Their next fight could be against a strong wrestler, strong Muay Thai fighter, strong JJ player and so on, so why not train in every area you can?

and for every fight, i can think of one where it didn't matter. bj vs. kenflo for example

[Buckfutts]

Fuck martial arts. Just head into the cage/ring and start swinging

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Fuck martial arts. Just head into the cage/ring and start swinging

fuck yeah

houston is gonna decapitate kimbo

[AO!]

No you don't.

Here's the champs.

BJ - BJJ, boxing
GSP - kickboxing, wrestling, BJJ
Anderson - BJJ, Muay thai
Machida - karate, sumo, BJJ
Brock - Boxing, wrestling

because they all excel tremendously at one thing. each one has world class something. if your some random fucker comeing up and not a world class athlete you need to be well rounded.

was that a serious post?

[Shogun Marcus]

and for every fight, i can think of one where it didn't matter. bj vs. kenflo for example

I think you missed the Vice Versa part.

[HOODS]

because they all excel tremendously at one thing. each one has world class something. if your some random fucker comeing up and not a world class athlete you need to be well rounded.

was that a serious post?

i think all seriousness was thrown out the window when he said gsp is a kickboxer and brock is a boxer.

[AO!]

as much as i hate to say it, its pretty much been proven over and over again that an elite/stong wrestler beats an elite jj stylist about 10/10 times. Considering that both of them are only strong in those areas and have shit standup.

its strangly true isnt it. i cant think of an instance where an elite wrestler got pwned by a good bjj guy.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i think all seriousness was thrown out the window when he said gsp is a kickboxer and brock is a boxer.

lol, gsp does throw kicks and brock punches ppl

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

it's not as far fetched as saying mir is a taekwondo expert or crumble johnson is a world class wrestler

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

its strangly true isnt it. i cant think of an instance where an elite wrestler got pwned by a good bjj guy.

demian maia/chael sonnen

[AO!]

lol, gsp does throw kicks and brock punches ppl

gsp has a karate and tkd background.

[AO!]

demian maia/chael sonnen

good call. but thats only one.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

gsp has a karate and tkd background.

if he stands with hardy, he's getting ktfo

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

he did kind of out himself when he talked about parrying when nog didn't parry anything in that fight. he used head movement to counter basically every shot cane threw with power shots.

first gif, look at his left hand, before he lands the jab with the right he parries cane's jab

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

good call. but thats only one.

candle grove/jake rosholt

and i'd argue rosholt is a better wrestler than grove is a bjj guy

[AO!]

if he stands with hardy, he's getting ktfo

if he gets killed he dies, big fucking deal. he doesnt stand with anyone, especially not someone with KO power.

[Shogun Marcus]

if he stands with hardy, he's getting ktfo

Hardy does have a punchers chance, but GSP is still more well rounded in the stand up.

[AO!]

candle grove/jake rosholt

and i'd argue rosholt is a better wrestler than grove is a bjj guy

those two are irrelevant. grove is not world class anything. roshholt only has a minor wreslting pedigree i think.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol, we got fucking limp bizkit and vanilla ice up in here, up in here

[___]

Those five guys are the "head and shoulders above comp" examples I was talking about. All those guys are insanely good in one area that they can get away with it. GSP and Anderson are just insanely good period.

I'll admit to only reading 20% of this thread when I jumped in.

because they all excel tremendously at one thing. each one has world class something. if your some random fucker comeing up and not a world class athlete you need to be well rounded.

was that a serious post?

Yes it was serious. And more times than not, you have to excel in one area and be respectable elsewhere. Let's look at the LW division

Aoki - Just BJJ
Alvarez - boxing, wrestling
Crusher - boxing, wrestling
Florian - thai, BJJ
Maynard - boxing, wrestling
Edgar - boxing, wrestling
Sherk - boxing, wrestling
Tyson Griffin, Melendez, etc

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

if he gets killed he dies, big fucking deal. he doesnt stand with anyone, especially not someone with KO power.

at least we're on the same page here

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

those two are irrelevant. grove is not world class anything. roshholt only has a minor wreslting pedigree i think.

rosholt was an ncaa champ

[___]

those two are irrelevant. grove is not world class anything. roshholt only has a minor wreslting pedigree i think.

lol, Rosholt is something like a 3-time all american/1 time national champ

[AO!]

I'll admit to only reading 20% of this thread when I jumped in.



Yes it was serious. And more times than not, you have to excel in one area and be respectable elsewhere. Let's look at the LW division

Aoki - Just BJJ
Alvarez - boxing, wrestling
Crusher - boxing, wrestling
Florian - thai, BJJ
Maynard - boxing, wrestling
Edgar - boxing, wrestling
Sherk - boxing, wrestling
Tyson Griffin, Melendez, etc

i have no idea what point you are trying to make or refute at this point.

[___]

Or even much better than that . . .

Rosholt won the 184-pound NCAA Division I wrestling title in 2003 and the 197-pound title in 2005 and 2006. Rosholt, wrestled at OSU, is a 4-time All-American and 2004 Big 12 Conference champion.

[AO!]

lol, Rosholt is something like a 3-time all american/1 time national champ

yea i wanst sure. grove still isnt a bjj guy though.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i have no idea what point you are trying to make or refute at this point.

is this your go-to argument when you start getting cained?

[AO!]

Or even much better than that . . .

yea i get it. its still not relevant, grove sucks.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

yea i wanst sure. grove still isnt a bjj guy though.

lol, yes he is

[___]

i have no idea what point you are trying to make or refute at this point.

You said you needed to be skilled in 4 arts to succeed, right? I thought that's what this was about. Like I said, I only read a small part.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

yea i get it. its still not relevant, grove sucks.

the whole point was you saying you never saw a bjj guy beat a great wrestler

[___]

yea i wanst sure. grove still isnt a bjj guy though.

He almost subbed Almeida. You're looking like a fool here.

[___]

the whole point was you saying you never saw a bjj guy beat a great wrestler

But Grove isn't a BJJ guy so that still stand lmao

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

He almost subbed Almeida. You're looking like a fool here.

he said gsp is a karate/tkd guy but then also added that he never stands with anyone, and now he's saying grove isn't a bjj guy

[AO!]

the whole point was you saying you never saw a bjj guy beat a great wrestler

no it isnt. i agreed with hoods saying expert wrlesting > expert bjj almost every time. and with the exception of maia/ sonnen that has proved true. grove is not expert bjj.

[___]

Just because you're not a decorated BJJ guy, doesn't mean you aren't a BJJ MMA guy. It's like saying GSP isn't a wrestler

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

no it isnt. i agreed with hoods saying expert wrlesting > expert bjj almost every time. and with the exception of maia/ sonnen that has proved true. grove is not expert bjj.

so average bjj>expert wrestling?

[AO!]

He almost subbed Almeida. You're looking like a fool here.

tito almost subbed machida, is tito a world class bjj fighter?

does grove even have a blackbelt? has he won anything world class in bjj? he may have and i may be way off base. i dont think he has though.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Just because you're not a decorated BJJ guy, doesn't mean you aren't a BJJ MMA guy. It's like saying GSP isn't a wrestler

gsp has a karate and tkd background.

if he gets killed he dies, big fucking deal. he doesnt stand with anyone, especially not someone with KO power.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid why were you saying I didnt watch boxing earlier? I'm positive I know like 100x the shit you do. Does it upset you that I have this knowledge? Would you like me to teach you?

[___]

no it isnt. i agreed with hoods saying expert wrlesting > expert bjj almost every time. and with the exception of maia/ sonnen that has proved true. grove is not expert bjj.

Grove has excellent MMA jiu jitsu and that is proven by 2/3's of his wins being by sub.

[Bones of Satan]

i don't see groove as an expert/mma bjj guy. whenever if he fights the last thing on my mind is kendal groove by sub

[AO!]

Just because you're not a decorated BJJ guy, doesn't mean you aren't a BJJ MMA guy. It's like saying GSP isn't a wrestler

thats not what we're talking about. you guys are fucked. i can see why noone wants to talk to you or solid about this shit. you dont read anything anyone else says, make half assed tangent points based off correlation and not causality. shits frustrating.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

tito almost subbed machida, is tito a world class bjj fighter?

does grove even have a blackbelt? has he won anything world class in bjj? he may have and i may be way off base. i dont think he has though.

tito is announced as a submission fighter in the in-ring introductions, actually

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

there are way too many examples you can name of that being wrong AO I wouldn't try running with a statement like that

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

thats not what we're talking about. you guys are fucked. i can see why noone wants to talk to you or solid about this shit. you dont read anything anyone else says, make half assed tangent points based off correlation and not causality. shits frustrating.

danhardyboohoo.gif

[AO!]

so average bjj>expert wrestling?

fuck off please.

[___]

tito almost subbed machida, is tito a world class bjj fighter?

does grove even have a blackbelt? has he won anything world class in bjj? he may have and i may be way off base. i dont think he has though.

He was on the ground with Almeida for 12 minutes and came closer to finishing it by sub than Ricardo did.

Tito threw up one sub at the end of the fight when Machida was a bit tired. Apples and oranges.

[AO!]

there are way too many examples you can name of that being wrong AO I wouldn't try running with a statement like that

please show me some examples of expert bjj beating expert wrestling. i fully realize i may be wrong but i cant think of any.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

please show me some examples of expert bjj beating expert wrestling. i fully realize i may be wrong but i cant think of any.

lil nog/henderson

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

fuck off please.

lol just lol

[AO!]

He was on the ground with Almeida for 12 minutes and came closer to finishing it by sub than Ricardo did.

Tito threw up one sub at the end of the fight when Machida was a bit tired. Apples and oranges.

granted, i will concede that grove is decent at bjj i do not consider him world class.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid would you like me to teach you about boxing?

[AO!]

lil nog/henderson

another good call, so we have 2 so far.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

please show me some examples of expert bjj beating expert wrestling. i fully realize i may be wrong but i cant think of any.

amir sadollah cb dollaway

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I noticed you dodged the question earlier, and I think I can remedy some of your ignorance and help you become a more intelligent mma fan solid

[___]

thats not what we're talking about. you guys are fucked. i can see why noone wants to talk to you or solid about this shit. you dont read anything anyone else says, make half assed tangent points based off correlation and not causality. shits frustrating.

You said that you needed to be proficient in 4 areas, you don't.

Don't get your panties twisted, you're not making sense. I agree that 90% of the time a great wrestler will get the better of a great JJ guy.

Saying things like Grove isn't a jiu jitsu fighter is ridiculous. 2/3's of his wins and a hard mat battle with one of the best in the world means that his jits is ok.

[AO!]

amir sadollah cb dollaway

amir is not expert bjj. we need to get some kind of criteria going here.

how about

bjj: must have won or gotten a medal at a half decent grappling event.

wreslting: division 1 minimum

sound good?

[HOODS]

AO, you are getting trolled so bad here its hard to watch you fall for it, just ignore wig and solid they will argue anything even if they dont even believe what they are saying as long as it disagrees with your point.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

you're trying awfully hard to stick with that flimsy ass statement AO

[AO!]

You said that you needed to be proficient in 4 areas, you don't.

Don't get your panties twisted, you're not making sense. I agree that 90% of the time a great wrestler will get the better of a great JJ guy.

Saying things like Grove isn't a jiu jitsu fighter is ridiculous. 2/3's of his wins and a hard mat battle with one of the best in the world means that his jits is ok.

you need to be profiecent in all four unless you are amazing at at least 1, how about that?

and i already conceded grove has decent bjj, i still do not consider him world class.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

amir is not expert bjj. we need to get some kind of criteria going here.

how about

bjj: must have won or gotten a medal at a half decent grappling event.

wreslting: division 1 minimum

sound good?

so, who are you picking if brock and nog ever fought?

[AO!]

AO, you are getting trolled so bad here its hard to watch you fall for it, just ignore wig and solid they will argue anything even if they dont even believe what they are saying as long as it disagrees with your point.

im gonna see this shit out until the end.

[HOODS]

You said that you needed to be proficient in 4 areas, you don't.

Don't get your panties twisted, you're not making sense. I agree that 90% of the time a great wrestler will get the better of a great JJ guy.

Saying things like Grove isn't a jiu jitsu fighter is ridiculous. 2/3's of his wins and a hard mat battle with one of the best in the world means that his jits is ok.

then everyones in agreement, can we move on now.

[AO!]

so, who are you picking if brock and nog ever fought?

brock by tko.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

nog/couture

[AO!]

then everyones in agreement, can we move on now.

"but theres exceptions!!!11111 what about the exceptions!11"

[___]

another good call, so we have 2 so far.

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

[AO!]

nog/couture

nog has good standup, so going back to hoodz post that sort of negates that one. ill give it to you though. the count is 3.

[AO!]

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

im not acting like anything, i said i couldnt think of them.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

fedor's not an elite bjj fighter, he never won no gold medals, yo

[HOODS]

SEVERN/GRACIE!!!!! OH SNAP SON

[AO!]

i guess reading a post that an arguemnt is about is pointless for you guys.

im out good luck.

[___]

Well those are just big fights off the top of my head.

And I take back the 90% after thinking about it longer. More times than not the wrestler will win, but it's not swayed as bad as you guys are saying.

[AO!]

yes im gotten to and i suck and im stupid and you're awesome.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

nog has good standup, so going back to hoodz post that sort of negates that one. ill give it to you though. the count is 3.

what does nog having good standup have to do with him outgrappling randy and nearly subbing him on multiple occasions?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

what's wrong solid why are you dodging the questions is it perhaps because you have no answer

[___]

please show me some examples of expert bjj beating expert wrestling. i fully realize i may be wrong but i cant think of any.

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

I don;t understand how you think I'm off subject here.

[HOODS]

I agree that 90% of the time a great wrestler will get the better of a great JJ guy.

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

^^^i believe those would fall into the category of 10%, yes?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I don;t understand how you think I'm off subject here.

i just don't understand what kind of point you're trying to make here

[HOODS]

And I take back the 90% after thinking about it longer.

YOU CANT TAKE IT BACK

[AO!]

I don;t understand how you think I'm off subject here.

fuck im a sucker.

hoodz stated that expert wreslting > expert bjj when neither has good striking. i agreed then you guys got way the fuck off the mark.

[___]

^^^i believe those would fall into the category of 10%, yes?

I said I changed my mind. I bet I can think of close to as many examples of great JJ beating great wrestling as you can the opposite.

[AO!]

this is like a fucking car wreck. i cant turn away.

[AO!]

I said I changed my mind. I bet I can think of close to as many examples of great JJ beating great wrestling as you can the opposite.

fine contest accepted. let pick a list of ten fighters who fit each category, then we can list out the wins via cross reference. sound good?

[HOODS]

fuck im a sucker.

hoodz stated that expert wreslting > expert bjj when neither has good striking. i agreed then you guys got way the fuck off the mark.

lol, its what they do.

this is like a fucking car wreck. i cant turn away.

lol again.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid is the little vietnamese girl running and crying through the battle with his clothes burned off by napalm

[HOODS]

I said I changed my mind. I bet I can think of close to as many examples of great JJ beating great wrestling as you can the opposite.

i'd rather eat my own shit then get into an mma debate/contest on thanksgiving.

[___]

fine contest accepted. let pick a list of ten fighters who fit each category, then we can list out the wins via cross reference. sound good?

OK, but I can't do it today. I should have logged off long ago already. Remind me Monday or come up with a list and I can try and match it.

[___]

i'd rather eat my own shit then get into an mma debate/contest on thanksgiving.

qft lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

solid is the little vietnamese girl running and crying through the battle with his clothes burned off by napalm

muay thai>boxing

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[AO!]

OK, but I can't do it today. I should have logged off long ago already. Remind me Monday or come up with a list and I can try and match it.

done and done.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid isnt having thanksgiving he just microwaved half a cheeseburger

[AO!]

im canadian so your faggot holiday doesnt apply here.

[AO!]

solid isnt having thanksgiving he just microwaved half a *cheeseburger

*cat.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

muay thai>boxing

<table class="tborder" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody id="collapseobj_usercp_reputation" style=""><tr><td class="alt2">http://www.turkishforums.net/images/styles/blacksmart/BlackSmart-skin_3.7/blacksmart/reputation/reputation_neg.gif</td> <td class="alt1Active" id="p1268682" width="50%"> A look at Lil Nog's... (http://www.turkishforums.net/TCM/showthread.php?p=1268682#post1268682) </td> <td class="alt2" nowrap="nowrap">11-26-2009 02:34 PM</td> <td class="alt1" nowrap="nowrap"> WAR RANDLEMAN! (http://www.turkishforums.net/TCM/member.php?u=60) </td> <td class="alt2" width="50%">Vitor > canderson</td></tr></tbody></table>

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[WAR OSCAR YEE]

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/319691/14mdfyp_medium.gif

that just proves that black house is the number 1 camp in MMA

[HOODS]

i still think cane beats machida.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i still think cane beats machida.

lol just lol

[AO!]

i still think cane beats machida.

after lil nog im not sure

[HHJ]

I've always wanted this though, a really exceptional boxer or fighter with good boxing skills making their way into mma because honestly it's just not been there yet, but it's starting to actually happen which is a very good thing

indeed
if you really pay attention to great boxers and kickboxers,mma strikers really leave you wanting

[California Giant]

Oh really? Whats the most popular richer sport around the world?

Are there more famous Boxers or wrestlers?

Which one are British good at?


... wait trick question.

[Buckfutts]

Which one are British good at?


... wait trick question.

Boxing

[Buckfutts]

we dont wrestle like a bunch of poofs in the UK

[California Giant]

Boxing

I was making a joke about how you are not very successful at either currently.

[California Giant]

<3 though. Just having fun. Being nationalistic.

[Buckfutts]

I was making a joke about how you are not very successful at either currently.

Neither are Americans really

also boxing was born in the UK.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

indeed
if you really pay attention to great boxers and kickboxers,mma strikers really leave you wanting

it's nice to be able to appreciate something rather than cursing everything you don't agree with and curling up with a pillow made of quizno's wrappers

[whitey]

Don't act like there's not that many, there are several.

Coleman/Nog, Fedor/Randleman, Penn/Hughes, Mir/Lesnar, etc.

Hughes and lesnar both lost to fluke subs the first time and then avenged the losses in dominating fashion.

[whitey]

Neither are Americans really

also boxing was born in the UK.

Let's put the best American vs the best Brit than...oh wait we already did that, mind the turnbuckle on your way out Ricky.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

:roflnut:

[whitey]

And LOL at Burt trying to claim the uk invented people punching each other in the face.

[HHJ]

it's nice to be able to appreciate something rather than cursing everything you don't agree with and curling up with a pillow made of quizno's wrappers

dont sleep on the quiznos thing till youve tried it

[The Deadman]

And LOL at Burt trying to claim the uk invented people punching each other in the face.

Hhhm from what I read he said they invented boxing, which is true. I think you might have misinterpreted something, or maybe you think you're trolling.

[Bennett]

edit

[Buckfutts]

Let's put the best American vs the best Brit than...oh wait we already did that, mind the turnbuckle on your way out Ricky.

You have a far far larger population than us. Therefore you have a far larger talent pool to choose from.

However Joe calzaghe retired undefeated and kicked many American butts.

Joe > Americans.

Plus Hatton beat more Americans than lost to

Hatton > America

[Buckfutts]

And LOL at Burt trying to claim the uk invented people punching each other in the face.

Are you denying that the 'sport' of boxing didn't originate from these shores?

[Buckfutts]

Hhhm from what I read he said they invented boxing, which is true. I think you might have misinterpreted something, or maybe you think you're trolling.

He's just thick bud

either way.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://www.fightreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/floyd-mayweather_ricky-hatton_a.gif

[Buckfutts]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee84/TheStylistics/a.gif

epic fail ^^

[JihadMeAtHello]

whitey's about to go on a ban spree again

[Buckfutts]

whitey's about to go on a ban spree again

He gets gotten to very easily

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

speaking of gotten to

Originally Posted by Britt/Scot
look what WR is saying. he doesnt fix his account after he gets negged does he? thats pretty unfair if he does

[The Deadman]

Whatever he needs to do to take attention away from the fact he clearly has lost it, if he ever had anything to begin with.

[The Deadman]

@jihad ^

[JihadMeAtHello]

whitey just bant him

[whitey]

Are you denying that the 'sport' of boxing didn't originate from these shores?

One thing we agree on is that boxing is a 'sport'

[whitey]

Whatever he needs to do to take attention away from the fact he clearly has lost it, if he ever had anything to begin with.

You got beef with me?

Wait, bad phrasing we all know you can't afford to buy meat.

You got a fucking problem with me?

[Buckfutts]

speaking of gotten to

Originally Posted by Britt/Scot
look what WR is saying. he doesnt fix his account after he gets negged does he? thats pretty unfair if he does

Gavin was using my account there.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

nope it was you and stool forwarded it to me and we both lol'd at you being gotten to

[whitey]

We have a thread in the mod booth where we post all the whiny bitch pm's that Burt sends. Pure hilarity.

[Buckfutts]

i send fuck all PM's on this site

[Buckfutts]

nope it was you and stool forwarded it to me and we both lol'd at you being gotten to

LOL

I am the one gotten to? You're the one that is unable to take his negs like a man.

[The Deadman]

:rofl: I love Burt

[whitey]

LOL

I am the one gotten to? You're the one that is unable to take his negs like a man.

Says the guy that has a full on meltdown when he gets admin negged or his account is tinkered with.

[Buckfutts]

Says the guy that has a full on meltdown when he gets admin negged or his account is tinkered with.

Bud go take a look at my account at fwapped. Its the red now

[___]

Hughes and lesnar both lost to fluke subs the first time and then avenged the losses in dominating fashion.

So when wrestling wins it's skill, but if jits wins it's a fluke? Okie, burt