gsp doesn't want to fight anderson silva

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http://mmajunkie.com/news/17009/georges-st-pierre-says-path-to-history-doesnt-necessarily-lead-to-anderson-silva.mma

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This is why Penn > GSP

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french faget

[Saska]

Can't blame him, Silva is too fucking big for him end of story.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i don't understand why gsp fans don't want him to fight anderson. even bj penn fans want him to fight gsp again even if he gets his ass kicked again

[Tsar]

imo, the division is cleaned out at 170 besides rematches. what else is GSP going to do?

[Saska]

He would get pummeled by Silva due to size alone. That's like me fighting solid.

[ArtardFiesta]

I wouldn't mind seeing them fight but if it doesn't ever happen its not that big of a deal.

[ArtardFiesta]

He would get pummeled by Silva due to size alone. That's like me fighting solid.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

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i don't understand why gsp fans don't want him to fight anderson. even bj penn fans want him to fight gsp again even if he gets his ass kicked again

Exactly. And not just GSP. If BJ beats Diego, Maynard, and Edgar or something, I'd like him to move up to 170 even if he wasn't champ. No fight brings more joy than one like Penn/Hughes I for me

[whitey]

You're an idiot solid

[Buckner1986]

GSP thinks that Marquardt has a shot at beating Anderson, IMO.

[vegemot]

Can't blame him, Silva is too fucking big for him end of story.

No more size difference than there was between him and Penn.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Exactly. And not just GSP. If BJ beats Diego, Maynard, and Edgar or something, I'd like him to move up to 170 even if he wasn't champ. No fight brings more joy than one like Penn/Hughes I for me

lol, in fact, he'd prolly call out hughes

[Buckner1986]

No more size difference than there was between him and Penn.

:um:

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Anderson thinks that Marquardt has a shot at beating Anderson, IMO.

what?

[Buckner1986]

what?

That was a mess. GSP think Marquardt has a shot at beating Anderson.

[vegemot]

GSP is plenty big enough to compete at 185 IMO. He just likes ploanting wee totos and sitting on their faces.

[Buckner1986]

GSP is plenty big enough to compete at 185 IMO. He just likes ploanting wee totos and sitting on their faces.

He's the kind of guy that's not going to be content with just eating McDonalds for 4 months to gain weight. He wants to put muscle on so that he can cut to 185. If he moves up to middleweight, he's going to do it the right way.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

who are the 2 faggots who voted no?

[Buckner1986]

who are the 2 faggots who voted no?

GSP and Marquardt.

[vegemot]

He's the kind of guy that's not going to be content with just eating McDonalds for 4 months to gain weight. He wants to put muscle on so that he can cut to 185. If he moves up to middleweight, he's going to do it the right way.

There are already people fighting at middleweight who walk around weighing the same or less than GSP does now. His cut to 170 is huge.

[snipe]

I TORE MY ABDUCTOR

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

actually i can see gsp beating alot of guys at MW, except for anderson

[Buckner1986]

There are already people fighting at middleweight who walk around weighing the same or less than GSP does now. His cut to 170 is huge.

I'm not saying that there isn't guys at 185 that don't walk around at 195, but the way GSP has had his success is by making a large weight cut the right way so that he is the one of the biggest welterweights while still having one of the best gas tanks in the division (if not the best). I can't imagine him putting himself in a position to not do the exact same thing if he were to go up to 185.

[Buckner1986]

actually i can see gsp beating alot of guys at MW, except for anderson

I like GSP vs. everyone at 185 (maybe Hendo would be a little tricky) sans Anderson.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol @ snipe voting no. you'd think he'd want gsp to move up, so koscheck actually has a chance of winning the belt

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I like GSP vs. everyone at 185 (maybe Hendo would be a little tricky) sans Anderson.

agreed

[HHJ]

its ok for cote to not fight gsp,hed spend the whole fight off his back like WTF GEORGES?!!?

[HHJ]

hendo might have to ko gsp if they fought,he can bring teh serra on him much betta than serra

[HHJ]

i dont know why anyone would fight hendo at all now that i think about it

hes all wrong for us baby

[Buckner1986]

i dont know why anyone would fight hendo at all now that i think about it

hes all wrong for us baby

The only person that's going to fight Hendo anytime soon is Mousasi.

[HHJ]

mousasi can win but hes gotta watch out

hendo is out to ruin your day

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

mousasi would wreck hendo, imo

[HHJ]

hendo is usually on and off each fight he has though

so he might not be good in the gegard fight he might just be avg like when he fought palhares

[vegemot]

I'm not saying that there isn't guys at 185 that don't walk around at 195, but the way GSP has had his success is by making a large weight cut the right way so that he is the one of the biggest welterweights while still having one of the best gas tanks in the division (if not the best). I can't imagine him putting himself in a position to not do the exact same thing if he were to go up to 185.

Yeah, I agree.

That's why I don't think GSP will put himself in the position of fighting Silva if he can avoid it. It's not that there is too much of a size difference. It's just that there is too much of a size difference for a guy who's success is in part due to his ability to be bigger and more athletic than his opponents.

[HHJ]

mousasi would wreck hendo, imo

i think so too but hendo is stubborn and never reads the script

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

hendo is usually on and off each fight he has though

so he might not be good in the gegard fight he might just be avg like when he fought palhares

bullshit, hendo does well when he fights guys like bisping, he struggles against the top guys like anderson and rampage, he'd struggle with mousasi as well

[HHJ]

hendo's insconsistent but hes a world beater

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Yeah, I agree.

That's why I don't think GSP will put himself in the position of fighting Silva if he can avoid it. It's not that there is too much of a size difference. It's just that there is too much of a size difference for a guy who's success is in part due to his ability to be bigger and more athletic than his opponents.

he won't be able to outwrestle anderson, and won't be strong enough to control him on the ground

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

and if it stays standing, we all know anderson would take his head off

[HHJ]

he won't be able to outwrestle anderson, and won't be strong enough to control him on the ground

im not so sure about that

[HHJ]

i would love to see gsp lnp anderson for five rounds

solid would blow his head off before the decision

[Buckner1986]

he won't be able to outwrestle anderson, and won't be strong enough to control him on the ground

Nobody thought GSP could outwrestle Kos or keep Kos or Alves down either.

There's some guys I just wouldn't bet against : Tebow, Jeter, Peyton Manning. I'd add GSP to that list without a doubt.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i would love to see gsp lnp anderson for five rounds

solid would blow his head off before the decision

what a great mma fan you are, wishing for lay and pray fights

[Saska]

No more size difference than there was between him and Penn.

The difference here is that GSP isn't an egotistic faggot who thinks he could armbar Jesus.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Nobody thought GSP could outwrestle Kos or keep Kos or Alves down either.

There's some guys I just wouldn't bet against : Tebow, Jeter, Peyton Manning. I'd add GSP to that list without a doubt.

anderson silva is also on that list

[HHJ]

what a great mma fan you are, wishing for lay and pray fights

i know right

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Nobody thought GSP could outwrestle Kos or keep Kos or Alves down either.

There's some guys I just wouldn't bet against : Tebow, Jeter, Peyton Manning. I'd add GSP to that list without a doubt.

i thought he could outwrestle alves

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

fitch pretty much laid the blueprint to beat alves

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

but i think alves beats fitch in a rematch

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He's the kind of guy that's not going to be content with just eating McDonalds for 4 months to gain weight. He wants to put muscle on so that he can cut to 185. If he moves up to middleweight, he's going to do it the right way.

He's pretty mentally weak in my mind. He's openly admitted to this more or less, needing a sports psychologist and such. I think he's much happier beating up on people at or below his weight than he is challenging himself and risking defeat.

Nobody thought GSP could outwrestle Kos or keep Kos or Alves down either.

lol wut

[snipe]

saf you fucking faggot can you pick a fighter and just be his fan for more than 2 months just once

[HHJ]

what a great mma fan you are, wishing for lay and pray fights

lol at least i dont turn on my fav fighters

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

saf you fucking faggot can you pick a fighter and just be his fan for more than 2 months just once

anderson silva

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lol at least i dont turn on my fav fighters

gsp turned on his fans by turning into a lay and pray fighter

[HHJ]

gsps fights have been more exciting than those two shitfests anderson had against cote and leites

[HHJ]

gsp turned on his fans by turning into a lay and pray fighter

gsp <3

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

gsps fights have been more exciting than those two shitfests anderson had against cote and leites

anderson redeemed himself with the fight against forrest

[Buckner1986]

anderson redeemed himself with the fight against forrest

Bullshit. Him KOing someone on an undercard doesn't make up for 2 of the worst main events the UFC has ever had.

[HHJ]

oh so what if gsp knocks hardy out
what will you do then

fucking gotten to faggot

your a fan of a fighter on a fight basis

except machida,you were a fan of his for two weeks cos of the butthurt shogun fans

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I TORE MY ABDUCTOR

:roflnut:

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oh so what if gsp knocks hardy out
what will you do then

fucking gotten to faggot

your a fan of a fighter on a fight basis

except machida,you were a fan of his for two weeks cos of the butthurt shogun fans

qft

[HHJ]

Bullshit. Him KOing someone on an undercard doesn't make up for 2 of the worst main events the UFC has ever had.

yeah they were really bad,people were so pissed at the bar they left before the end of the fight

at least the gsp fights you could marvel at gsps total pwn control

where anderson was like fighting someone who was begging to be finished and he didnt FEEL LIKE DOING IT

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid is as see through as a freshly windexed glass door

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Bullshit. Him KOing someone on an undercard doesn't make up for 2 of the worst main events the UFC has ever had.

it was the co-main event against the former LHW champ

hater

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

and silva vs leites was one of the worst pieces of shit I've ever had to sit through

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

oh so what if gsp knocks hardy out
what will you do then

fucking gotten to faggot

your a fan of a fighter on a fight basis

except machida,you were a fan of his for two weeks cos of the butthurt shogun fans

gsp will never knock out hardy

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

yeah they were really bad,people were so pissed at the bar they left before the end of the fight

at least the gsp fights you could marvel at gsps total pwn control

where anderson was like fighting someone who was begging to be finished and he didnt FEEL LIKE DOING IT

anderson's dancing was more entertaining than gsp pushing his groin up against alves's face, imo

[HHJ]

anderson's dancing was more entertaining than gsp pushing his groin up against alves's face, imo

no it wasnt

cos alves was a game opponent that gave gsp every reason to play it safe

leites had NOTHING and anderson decided to not give us a fight either

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

gsp fans don't even want him to move up in weight. lol just lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

no it wasnt

cos alves was a game opponent that gave gsp every reason to play it safe

leites had NOTHING and anderson decided to not give us a fight either

ever heard of fighting on the level of your opponent?

[HHJ]

if your a gsp fan,you might not be excited,but you can still shake your head at his considerable skills

if your an anderson silva fan your like dude WTF happened to you?

[HHJ]

ever heard of fighting on the level of your opponent?

yes its a really stupid thing to do

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

careful hhj he just pulled his famous "talk about shit that has nothing to do with shit" move

[Buckner1986]

it was the co-main event against the former LHW champ

hater

But the one minute of an impressive fight doesn't make up for 45 minutes of shit that neither the fans nor the UFC appreciate. He might be the P4P best in the UFC right now, but he gets about as many PPV buys as Couture/Coleman would get. He's lost all respect.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

i.e he has no response for the truth and logic you rained down upon him like so many gsp elbows

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

But the one minute of an impressive fight doesn't make up for 45 minutes of shit that neither the fans nor the UFC appreciate. He might be the P4P best in the UFC right now, but he gets about as many PPV buys as Couture/Coleman would get. He's lost all respect.

Anderson wasn't a very big ppv draw before that but after the cote and leites fights it got even worse

[Buckner1986]

Anderson is such a scrub that he can't even attempt to learn English. Fuck that guy

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Solid, do we have a Penn/Diego bet?

[HHJ]

i dont hate anderson for what he did,i think he was trying to do something that works in boxing in an mma fight and it doesnt work if the guy can throw himself on the ground and stall the fight.Hell it didnt even work against cote who wanted to stand.They were just bad fights to watch.I just dont think you can criticize GSP for training like a demon and beating guys who are out to kill him,just cos its not aesthetically pleasing.I still marvel at his ability

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

GSP vs Alves was an exciting fight and when it was standing GSP tooled him, he completely dominated him at pretty much every aspect

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Solid, do we have a Penn/Diego bet?

av

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Anderson is such a scrub that he can't even attempt to learn English. Fuck that guy

i bet you were oohhing and ahhing when jose aldo won

[HHJ]

GSP vs Alves was an exciting fight and when it was standing GSP tooled him, he completely dominated him at pretty much every aspect

indeed
if i like a fighter,and he dominates a game fighter,i walk away impressed

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av

Couple months or what?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Couple months or what?

1 month

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pussy

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

GSP vs Hardy is gsp vs alves redux imo, only I think Alves is a bit better overall than Hardy is

[vegemot]

Anderson Silva is not a big PPV draw? He's lost all respect?

Bullshit.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol, what about the 4 ppl who voted no in the poll?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

anderson silva doesnt want to fight brock lesnar

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

GSP vs Hardy is gsp vs alves redux imo, only I think Alves is a bit better overall than Hardy is

hardy is in the same position gsp was in when hughes was the champ

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

anderson silva doesnt want to fight brock lesnar

he never said that

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Anderson Silva is not a big PPV draw? He's lost all respect?

Bullshit.

He can't carry a PPV for shit.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

that would be a thing of fucking beauty, seeing anderson's brazilian fag head get crushed like a milk dud under some nikes by Lesnar

[HHJ]

hardy is in the same position gsp was in when hughes was the champ

again,a complete fabrication

hardy has yet to beat a top guy
swick was only a #1 contender simply because gsp beat everyone else allready

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Worst draw of any champ by far

[vegemot]

i dont hate anderson for what he did,i think he was trying to do something that works in boxing in an mma fight and it doesnt work if the guy can throw himself on the ground and stall the fight.Hell it didnt even work against cote who wanted to stand.They were just bad fights to watch.I just dont think you can criticize GSP for training like a demon and beating guys who are out to kill him,just cos its not aesthetically pleasing.I still marvel at his ability

I don't even thing the Cote fight was a bad fight. It just ended badly, which had nothing to do with Silva.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

oh so what if gsp knocks hardy out
what will you do then

fucking gotten to faggot

your a fan of a fighter on a fight basis

except machida,you were a fan of his for two weeks cos of the butthurt shogun fans

funny thing since wr used to be an anderson fan

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

he never said that

it was brought up in an interview on mmajunkie.com and Soares answered for him saying no he wouldn't want to fight Lesnar

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Worst draw of any champ by far

machida

[HHJ]

hes gotten to by your gottentoism

you started it

thats why we had to pwn you off the internets before anderson/griffin

TALK SHIT NOW

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

it was brought up in an interview on mmajunkie.com and Soares answered for him saying no he wouldn't want to fight Lesnar

bullshit

anderson's talked about fighting at LHW and HW

[Buckner1986]

i bet you were oohhing and ahhing when jose aldo won

What does that have to do with anything?

[snipe]

saf 1 month BAN BET on gsp vs hardy you faggot

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

hes gotten to by your gottentoism

you started it

thats why we had to pwn you off the internets before anderson/griffin

TALK SHIT NOW

and how did that fight go? who's talking shit now?

[HHJ]

machida

machida steady koing motherfuckers,sorry sir

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

funny thing since wr used to be an anderson fan

that's the thing you can't grasp simple concepts like enjoying watching a fighter fight while still being able to criticize them, you aren't well rounded solid

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

saf 1 month BAN BET on gsp vs hardy you faggot

done

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machida

No way. Machida coming into the Shogun fight was a huge fan favorite. He'll get back there too.

[HHJ]

and how did that fight go? who's talking shit now?

you got pwned off the net before the fight even happened,oh ye faithful

you dont even have faith in your fav fighters otherwise you wouldnt be so gotten to

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

that's the thing you can't grasp simple concepts like enjoying watching a fighter fight while still being able to criticize them, you aren't well rounded solid

lol, nothing i've ever said about gsp was as bad as the recent posts you made about anderson

[snipe]

What does that have to do with anything?

hes got nothing left for you

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I like how solid tried to bump that thread after he had been completely ruined, banned, deleted and came crawling back like he proved anything to anybody

forrest by knees in the clinch

[HHJ]

WAR AMERICA

[vegemot]

He can't carry a PPV for shit.

Then MMA fans really are idiots. There's nobody on the planet I am more excited to see fight.

I don't even care if he doesn't throw a punch for the first 3 rounds, to be honest. He can just drop his hands, and dance about, and make top level competition look bad, and I'm happy.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

No way. Machida coming into the Shogun fight was a huge fan favorite. He'll get back there too.

he was a big fan favorite cuz he ko'ed rashad. i think in the rematch, more ppl are going to cheer for shogun

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

lol, nothing i've ever said about gsp was as bad as the recent posts you made about anderson

I'm not surprised solid two weeks ago I said you'd start shitting on GSP because Rashad getting to rampage got to you by proxy so now you hate jackson camp

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Then MMA fans really are idiots. There's nobody on the planet I am more excited to see fight.

I don't even care if he doesn't throw a punch for the first 3 rounds, to be honest. He can just drop his hands, and dance about, and make top level competition look bad, and I'm happy.

that's what MMA is all about, imo

[HHJ]

he was a big fan favorite cuz he ko'ed rashad. i think in the rematch, more ppl are going to cheer for shogun

lol,so machida is a worse draw than anderson in a fight that has not yet occured? lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I like how solid tried to bump that thread after he had been completely ruined, banned, deleted and came crawling back like he proved anything to anybody

forrest by knees in the clinch

no, you guys just looked like idiots by thinking forrest was gonna beat anderson

[Buckner1986]

and how did that fight go? who's talking shit now?

Us, for making you punch holes in your 'bedroom' wall and crying on your keyboard before making the most emo thread ever seen on SD.

[snipe]

Then MMA fans really are idiots. There's nobody on the planet I am more excited to see fight.

I don't even care if he doesn't throw a punch for the first 3 rounds, to be honest. He can just drop his hands, and dance about, and make top level competition look bad, and I'm happy.

we dont all have the luxury of wanting to watch fighters based on how badly we want to see their penis' fall out of their trunks

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

no, you guys just looked like idiots by thinking forrest was gonna beat anderson

forrest by arm triangle 1st round

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If GSP manned up and fought Anderson it would be a one way ticket to bonerville for me. He would make GSP look like a child, and Georges knows it.

[HHJ]

no, you guys just looked like idiots by thinking forrest was gonna beat anderson

admit it,we trolled you into bolivian

we twatted you up like a little gay boy

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

If GSP manned up and fought Anderson it would be a one way ticket to bonerville for me. He would make GSP look like a child, and Georges knows it.

yes

[Buckner1986]

Then MMA fans really are idiots. There's nobody on the planet I am more excited to see fight.

I don't even care if he doesn't throw a punch for the first 3 rounds, to be honest. He can just drop his hands, and dance about, and make top level competition look bad, and I'm happy.

Fuck that noise. I wasted $100 on 2 PPV main events that were the worst since AA/Sylvia. Fuck him and his puppeteer Soares.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid trips over the shit he spews constantly, one day he's singing the praises of dominant GSP ground and pound the next day he's talking about how GSP is afraid to stand like mma should be k-1 just because he doesn't like being wrong

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

we dont all have the luxury of wanting to watch fighters based on how badly we want to see their penis' fall out of their trunks

why are you describing gsp's fights?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

MMA is still going to be MMA whether you want it to be or not solid, and after GSP destroys Hardy you can find another person to cheer for or dejectedly take your seat back on the fairweather fan trolley. I'll be riding shotgun blowing the NOT IMPRESSED horn on the GSP warwagon

[Buckner1986]

no, you guys just looked like idiots by thinking forrest was gonna beat anderson

No. You looked like an idiot for getting trolled by believing that everyone thought Forrest was going to beat Anderson. That was by far the worst MMA related emo meltdown I've ever seen on an offshoot.

[HHJ]

its one thing to betray a fav fighter in exchange for another fighter,but dont try to pretend dan hardy has shown anything that makes it look like he would run through gsp

he hasnt faced anyone half as good as gsp

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

gsp has lost his edge, he no longer has the hungriness and desire he had when he fought hughes. it's gonna be a matter of time before he loses, whether to hardy or not

[vegemot]

MMA is developing a worrying tendency towards glorifying fights which are essentially just bad kickboxing. Dana talks up fights where two goons stand still and hammer each others faces off, and calls anything that doesn't look like that boring.

It's at it's worst in TUF. Dana going on about roy nelsons win over kimbo being boring properly pissed me off.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid that sounded like a complete cop out to me

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

did you guys even read the article i posted? he's 28 years old and already talking about retirement

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

you know you're wrong so you just throw out the weakest shit you've said thus far, "Well he'll lose eventually" good work gentlemen we've made solid lose faith in Hardy but I doubt he actually had any in him to begin with

[HHJ]

gsp has lost his edge, he no longer has the hungriness and desire he had when he fought hughes. it's gonna be a matter of time before he loses, whether to hardy or not

your a fool
do you know the level and commitment to training it takes to clown contenders like alves and fitch?

[snipe]

gsp has lost his edge, he no longer has the hungriness and desire he had when he fought hughes. it's gonna be a matter of time before he loses, whether to hardy or not

solid to be the champ you have to beat the champ, gsp is the champ his job is to defend his belt why should he risk injury or loss when he can simply go the easy route to a decision victory? it is not his job to finish the fight the challenger shouldnt leave it to the judges.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I can't think of a more driven individual than GSP as far as defending his title goes, his training is insane and he makes number one contenders look like they're amateurs

[HHJ]

MMA is developing a worrying tendency towards glorifying fights which are essentially just bad kickboxing. Dana talks up fights where two goons stand still and hammer each others faces off, and calls anything that doesn't look like that boring.

It's at it's worst in TUF. Dana going on about roy nelsons win over kimbo being boring properly pissed me off.


credeur vs quarry really made me shake my head

credeur a guy with no power in his hands throwing like a wannabee mike tyson with NO defense,and quarry still didnt ko him even tho he was begging for it

it was a good fight if it was in a bar

[Bones of Satan]

solid will jump on the anthony johnson bandwagon after gsp beats matt hardy

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid to be the champ you have to beat the champ, gsp is the champ his job is to defend his belt why should he risk injury or loss when he can simply go the easy route to a decision victory? it is not his job to finish the fight the challenger shouldnt leave it to the judges.

:roflnut: :roflnut: :roflnut:

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

solid to be the champ you have to beat the champ, gsp is the champ his job is to defend his belt why should he risk injury or loss when he can simply go the easy route to a decision victory? it is not his job to finish the fight the challenger shouldnt leave it to the judges.

yet you criticize anderson for his performance against leites

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

credeur vs quarry really made me shake my head

credeur a guy with no power in his hands throwing like a wannabee mike tyson with NO defense,and quarry still didnt ko him even tho he was begging for it

it was a good fight if it was in a bar

I dont see how creduer was conscious after that overhand right landed

[HHJ]

hes a tough sonofabitch,i totally respect him,but god what terrible striking
mma guys all think they can box

[snipe]

yet you criticize anderson for his performance against leites

show me the criticize? i never once criticized i just think anderson is an all around faggot it has nothing to do with fighting

[vegemot]

May as well just watch homeless people hit each other with sticks.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

it's pretty clear that gsp has changed his style completely after he ko'ed by midget serra. he's afraid to stand with anyone, that's why he wants nothing to do with anderson

[HHJ]

yet you criticize anderson for his performance against leites

lol leites had NOTHING to beat anderson with,if gsp stood with alves the entire time he ran the very probable risk of being koed

so hard to understand?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

show me the criticize? i never once criticized i just think anderson is an all around faggot it has nothing to do with fighting

haahhahah, i forgot he choked out your boy hendo

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

hes a tough sonofabitch,i totally respect him,but god what terrible striking
mma guys all think they can box

you ever notice how if they get in the pocket and they arent particularly good strikers they almost always end up clashing heads?

[___]

How can you respect a guy like this?

The Canadian said he would want to bulk up to around 215 pounds if he were to compete in the middleweight division, though, "Even then, most of the guys are bigger than that.

[snipe]

i know of another fighter who changed his style, his name is rampage. unfortunately hes retired now though

[HHJ]

it's pretty clear that gsp has changed his style completely after he ko'ed by midget serra. he's afraid to stand with anyone, that's why he wants nothing to do with anderson


he stood up plenty in his last few fights,but if i had the best takedown in the business im not gonna hold back just cos some asian faggot wont like me

[___]

How can you respect a guy like this?

The Canadian said he would want to bulk up to around 215 pounds if he were to compete in the middleweight division, though, "Even then, most of the guys are bigger than that.

[Buckner1986]

MMA is developing a worrying tendency towards glorifying fights which are essentially just bad kickboxing. Dana talks up fights where two goons stand still and hammer each others faces off, and calls anything that doesn't look like that boring.

It's at it's worst in TUF. Dana going on about roy nelsons win over kimbo being boring properly pissed me off.

I haven't seen the DW rant about the Kimbo/Nelson fight, but it was boring. Any fighter that doesn't try to finish the fight when he is head and shoulders above the other fighter deserves to be called a boring fighter.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

:goldie: THIS IS TRULY THE BEST SPENCER FISHER WE'VE EVER SEEN JOE

[HHJ]

How can you respect a guy like this?

creduer,i respect that he can fight through taking tremendous damage,even when his opponent is way better than him,he dont give up,tremendous heart

but yeah

if you cant strike,learn how,dont,and if you must,keep your chin down for gods sake

this isnt 1997

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

i know of another fighter who changed his style, his name is rampage. unfortunately hes retired now though

rampage has never been afraid to stand and bang with anyone, not even after he got brutally ko'ed by wand and shogun

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I haven't seen the DW rant about the Kimbo/Nelson fight, but it was boring. Any fighter that doesn't try to finish the fight when he is head and shoulders above the other fighter deserves to be called a boring fighter.

nelson finished kimbo

[Buckner1986]

solid to be the champ you have to beat the champ, gsp is the champ his job is to defend his belt why should he risk injury or loss when he can simply go the easy route to a decision victory? it is not his job to finish the fight the challenger shouldnt leave it to the judges.

solid was hoping no one would remember this.

[HHJ]

solid was hoping no one would remember this.

owned

[HHJ]

i think we can pwn solid off the nets before the hardy fight,what say you gentlemen?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol, everyone was shitting on jake shields for his last fight, but how is what gsp does any different?

[vegemot]

lol leites had NOTHING to beat anderson with,if gsp stood with alves the entire time he ran the very probable risk of being koed

so hard to understand?

That's true. He should have gone after leites in the later rounds. If he'd done that, that's perfect execution, and a great fight IMO.

That's the only criticism I can even think of levelling at the guy though, so if that's enough for him to have "lost all respect", and stopped drawing PPV sales, something is seriously wrong.

[___]

creduer,i respect that he can fight through taking tremendous damage,even when his opponent is way better than him,he dont give up,tremendous heart

but yeah

if you cant strike,learn how,dont,and if you must,keep your chin down for gods sake

this isnt 1997

I have no idea how this has anything to do with my post you quoted lol

[Buckner1986]

nelson finished kimbo

Nelson finished Kimbo like a fag.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

lol at solid comparing gsp to jake shields, not even worth a response imo

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

he's getting pretty desperate at this point

[vegemot]

I haven't seen the DW rant about the Kimbo/Nelson fight, but it was boring. Any fighter that doesn't try to finish the fight when he is head and shoulders above the other fighter deserves to be called a boring fighter.

WTF are you on about?

Nelson finished him. Kimbo looked like a dead fish on the ground, as always, and nelson plwntd him good and proper.

Dana said it was an unimpressive win, as if nelson should have stood in front of kimbo and traded punches with him until he eventually managed to put one of his giant ham fists through the back of his head.

If dana wants to see that, there are plenty of videos on the internet which should be to his liking.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Nelson finished Kimbo like a fag.

it's better than not finishing at all like gsp has in his last few fights

[Buckner1986]

If solid stops posting that just means his mother has kicked him off of the internet for getting angry and yelling at the computer monitor. We'll have to go on hiatus for awhile until solid gets to the library to resume his gotten to.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

WTF are you on about?

Nelson finished him. Kimbo looked like a dead fish on the ground, as always, and nelson plwntd him good and proper.

Dana said it was an unimpressive win, as if nelson should have stood in front of kimbo and traded punches with him until he eventually managed to put one of his giant ham fists through the back of his head.

If dana wants to see that, there are plenty of videos on the internet which should be to his liking.

the real reason is that guys like kimbo and gsp can seemingly do no wrong on this forum

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol who's the one who is gotten to?

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[Bones of Satan]

anderson is ducking hendo and vitor

he'd prolly duck a fight with gsp so he can get lhw shot at tito

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid is getting fucked in the ass in here

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

anderson is ducking hendo and vitor

he'd prolly duck a fight with gsp so he can get lhw shot at tito

he beat hendo, he's fighting vitor next, who already lost to hendo btw

and gsp's the one who's ducking anderson, did you not read the article?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

it's ring around the asian and we've all got our cocks out imo

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

the fact that this poll is even close just goes to show what gsp fans are all about

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid you transparent little faggot you'd just say GSP was ducking hardy if he moved up to fight anderson

[Buckner1986]

WTF are you on about?

Nelson finished him. Kimbo looked like a dead fish on the ground, as always, and nelson plwntd him good and proper.

Dana said it was an unimpressive win, as if nelson should have stood in front of kimbo and traded punches with him until he eventually managed to put one of his giant ham fists through the back of his head.

If dana wants to see that, there are plenty of videos on the internet which should be to his liking.

Nelson hit him with pillowfists until the ref had no choice but to stop it. He did it on purpose to expose Kimbo and make Dana White and the UFC look like shit. That's why Dana White was mad. If Nelson mounted him and beat his ass then Dana would have been in a better position for both fighters moving forward. This is why Roy Nelson is going to last all of 2 fights in the UFC, he has no respect for the opportunity he is being given.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

he wants to go about gaining weight and moving to 185 the right way, he doesn't want to just bloat up to 185. You constantly skew articles to suit your motives which consist of trolling poorly

[vegemot]

I don't know what this thread is supposed to be about, but as far as I'm concerned it's now about my love of anderson silva and roy nelson, and how much of an ignorant cock dana white is.

Also, MMA fans are all redneck hick idiots who want to see rockem sockem robots.

[Buckner1986]

he beat hendo, he's fighting vitor next, who already lost to hendo btw

and gsp's the one who's ducking anderson, did you not read the article?

The Vitor fight is never going to happen. He'll back out, or should I say Ed Soares will back out for him, before the fight due to 'a sore elbow'.

[vegemot]

Nelson hit him with pillowfists until the ref had no choice but to stop it. He did it on purpose to expose Kimbo and make Dana White and the UFC look like shit. That's why Dana White was mad. If Nelson mounted him and beat his ass then Dana would have been in a better position for both fighters moving forward. This is why Roy Nelson is going to last all of 2 fights in the UFC, he has no respect for the opportunity he is being given.

So he should have tried harder to make kimbo look good on the ground? Even the mighty roy nelson can't do that. lol.

Seriously man, you're on another planet or something.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

that's what I see happening as well buckner, soares will release a statement saying Anderson doesn't need to fight Vitor and that he thinks a rematch with Cote makes the most sense

[whitey]

it's better than not finishing at all like gsp has in his last few fights

lol says the guy who was crying a river about people sayings this about Anderson.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol says the guy who was crying a river about people sayings this about Anderson.

gsp does it in every fight though

with anderson, it's more the exception than the rule

[Buckner1986]

So he should have tried harder to make kimbo look good on the ground? Even the mighty roy nelson can't do that. lol.

Seriously man, you're on another planet or something.

No. What he did was make both Kimbo and himself look like shit. How can an attitude like 'I'm just going to lay on him and make the ref stop the fight' make the UFC want to promote this guy? If he mounts him and pounds him out then he looks good and the UFC has something to work with. Right now all they have is a fat slob that refuses to train outside of his basement and that will provide some anti-MMA soundbites for assholes like Bill O'Reilly.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Nelson hit him with pillowfists until the ref had no choice but to stop it. He did it on purpose to expose Kimbo and make Dana White and the UFC look like shit. That's why Dana White was mad. If Nelson mounted him and beat his ass then Dana would have been in a better position for both fighters moving forward. This is why Roy Nelson is going to last all of 2 fights in the UFC, he has no respect for the opportunity he is being given.

lol, you're a fucking clown

[whitey]

I can wait till solid turns on Anderson. Will be epic.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

No. What he did was make both Kimbo and himself look like shit. How can an attitude like 'I'm just going to lay on him and make the ref stop the fight' make the UFC want to promote this guy? If he mounts him and pounds him out then he looks good and the UFC has something to work with. Right now all they have is a fat slob that refuses to train outside of his basement and that will provide some anti-MMA soundbites for assholes like Bill O'Reilly.

did he fucking finish the fight or not?

[Buckner1986]

that's what I see happening as well buckner, soares will release a statement saying Anderson doesn't need to fight Vitor and that he thinks a rematch with Cote makes the most sense

Winner of Sinosic/Haseman, IMO.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I can wait till solid turns on Anderson. Will be epic.

there are a few fighters i will never turn on and anderson is one of them

[Buckner1986]

did he fucking finish the fight or not?

It probably would have been more advantageous to win a decision than to do what he did. He looked like a fool on the TV show that's helping to kickstart his career.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I can wait till solid turns on Anderson. Will be epic.

everyone here already knows what a fairweather fan solid is, he has no credibility

[Buckner1986]

The most ironic thing is that solid was one of the leaders of the Arlovski/Fedor troll job, yet solid got trolled 100x harder before the Anderson/Forrest fight than anyone did about Arlovski.

[vegemot]

No. What he did was make both Kimbo and himself look like shit. How can an attitude like 'I'm just going to lay on him and make the ref stop the fight' make the UFC want to promote this guy? If he mounts him and pounds him out then he looks good and the UFC has something to work with. Right now all they have is a fat slob that refuses to train outside of his basement and that will provide some anti-MMA soundbites for assholes like Bill O'Reilly.

Oh so this is a fat thing is it? Well fuck you, buddy. Come round my house, and see how you like this fat slobs pillowfists. Fat Power!

[whitey]

gsp does it in every fight though

with anderson, it's more the exception than the rule

Gsp has finished 3 of his last 5 fights. Anderson and gsp both have over 20 fights, Anderson and gsp have both won 6 fights by decision. Anderson has lost one by decision.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

everyone here already knows what a fairweather fan solid is, he has no credibility

you were an anderson and a rampage fan

speaking of which, what happened to your rumble av? and your cro cop av you had before ufc 103? and your rothwell av?

[Buckner1986]

Oh so this is a fat thing is it? Well fuck you, buddy. Come round my house, and see how you like this fat slobs pillowfists. Fat Power!

You're looking through rose colored (edit: ham colored) glasses if you don't think that Roy Nelson is a fatass.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

what happened to your dan hardy av? Oh that's right you lost it because you suck at making picks

[Saska]

there are a few fighters i will never turn on and anderson is one of them

Bull fucking shit

[Buckner1986]

you were an anderson and a rampage fan

speaking of which, what happened to your rumble av? and your cro cop av you had before ufc 103? and your rothwell av?

WR stirs the pot by changing alliances. You're just an idiot and ride them out until the fail, whereupon you hate them.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

or I just change my av, real difficult concept to grasp imo

[whitey]

there are a few fighters i will never turn on and anderson is one of them

gsp was in your top 3 not long ago. You are full of shit.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Gsp has finished 3 of his last 5 fights. Anderson and gsp both have over 20 fights, Anderson and gsp have both won 6 fights by decision. Anderson has lost one by decision.

60% of anderson's wins have been by ko/tko and the leites fight was his 1 decision in a span of like 10 wins by stoppage

gsp on the other hand, is starting to let his number of decisions surpass his number of finishes

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

to be the champ you must never change your av, 3 years later to show dominance you must still have the same av

wooooooooooooooooooooo

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

what happened to your dan hardy av? Oh that's right you lost it because you suck at making picks

i still have him in my sig

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

it doesnt even bother me really I knew ahead of time that solid would end up bashing gsp because Rashad ruined one of his favorite fighters so he hates the entire camp, he's such a bitter little vietcong

[vegemot]

You're looking through rose colored (edit: ham colored) glasses if you don't think that Roy Nelson is a fatass.

Yeah he is. I also think he's talented, and there is no question about his cardio, so who gives a shit? You want him to drop 70 lbs to fight at LHW? If not, why should he even lose a pound of it?

I also think you're judging him harshly if you think the way he won that fight was an intentional tactic to 'make the ufc look bad', or even to make kimbo look bad.

i think he got rocked by a big fucking scary guy, thought fuck this, took him down, and didn't take any chances.

IMO he still looked pretty good doing it. Crucifix position, totally dominated him on the ground, came out and took him down again like it was nothing.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

hey solid, you change your av all the time too

care to explain that?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

roy nelson is gonna win the show

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

you should still have a jardine av by my calculations

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

hey solid, you change your av all the time too

care to explain that?

you change your av when the fighter in your av loses. i only have winners in my avs

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

actually solid I kept the rumble av for about 3 days after the fight, it's been an mma heavy month and I tend to switch them as a new event comes up

if that upsets you well tough shit

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

you should still have a jardine av by my calculations

nope, picked thiago over jardine correctly. and had a thiago av for that one

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

you change your av when the fighter in your av loses. i only have winners in my avs

I agree grove is destined for big things

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I agree grove is destined for big things

lol fuck you, when is this av bet up, faget

[snipe]

Yeah he is. I also think he's talented, and there is no question about his cardio, so who gives a shit? You want him to drop 70 lbs to fight at LHW? If not, why should he even lose a pound of it?

I also think you're judging him harshly if you think the way he won that fight was an intentional tactic to 'make the ufc look bad', or even to make kimbo look bad.

i think he got rocked by a big fucking scary guy, thought fuck this, took him down, and didn't take any chances.

IMO he still looked pretty good doing it. Crucifix position, totally dominated him on the ground, came out and took him down again like it was nothing.

look i know people tend to bond with people they can identify with, but roy nelson is not talented, roy nelson is a fat washed up never been, tuf is for up can comers to get their name out there and get a shot, the fact that roy nelson has been on the big stage and is now fighting in a free tournament at a chance to maybe make it back to the big show should tell you all you need to know. hes also morbidly obese and repulsive looking, and he has a terrible personality.

why the fuck are you his fan again?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

nope, picked thiago over jardine correctly. and had a thiago av for that one

aduuuur you dumb shit I was referring to the months you were jardine's number one fan then dropped him like you do every other fighter

[super hot]

GSP is a scared french faggot

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

aduuuur you dumb shit I was referring to the months you were jardine's number one fan then dropped him like you do every other fighter

i've never had jardine in my av and then taken it off when he lost, if that's what you're saying

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

take a deep breath solid I'm about to change my av, if you have to look away from the monitor

[vegemot]

look i know people tend to bond with people they can identify with, but roy nelson is not talented, roy nelson is a fat washed up never been, tuf is for up can comers to get their name out there and get a shot, the fact that roy nelson has been on the big stage and is now fighting in a free tournament at a chance to maybe make it back to the big show should tell you all you need to know. hes also morbidly obese and repulsive looking, and he has a terrible personality.

why the fuck are you his fan again?

lol. You're just fattist.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

GSP is a scared french faggot

on the bright side, at least mante has enough sense to realize than anderson would knee gsp into a living death

[Buckner1986]

Yeah he is. I also think he's talented, and there is no question about his cardio, so who gives a shit? You want him to drop 70 lbs to fight at LHW? If not, why should he even lose a pound of it?

I also think you're judging him harshly if you think the way he won that fight was an intentional tactic to 'make the ufc look bad', or even to make kimbo look bad.

i think he got rocked by a big fucking scary guy, thought fuck this, took him down, and didn't take any chances.

IMO he still looked pretty good doing it. Crucifix position, totally dominated him on the ground, came out and took him down again like it was nothing.

The way he won the fight was intentional. He told his teammates before the fight that he thought James Thompson should have won vs. Kimbo and that he was going to hit him with little shots that Kimbo couldn't defend so to make the referee stop the fight. That looks ridiculous for everyone involved.

And I don't care if he's fat or not, it's just what it is. He's got a good skillset, but that doesn't change the fact that he's fat.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

mante is dumber than a sack of shit and people rarely read what he posts not the best person to go running for back-up to

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

The way he won the fight was intentional. He told his teammates before the fight that he thought James Thompson should have won vs. Kimbo and that he was going to hit him with little shots that Kimbo couldn't defend so to make the referee stop the fight. That looks ridiculous for everyone involved.

And I don't care if he's fat or not, it's just what it is. He's got a good skillset, but that doesn't change the fact that he's fat.

according to your logic, roy might as well put his hands down and stand there against kimbo. cuz at least if he got ko'ed, he'd still make his opponent look good

fucking moron

[vegemot]

I do genuinely think he deserves to be in the UFC though. It's not like I'm saying I think he should get a title shot for fucks sake.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

roy nelson wont amount to a fucking thing in the UFC he's an ugly out of shape fat fuck with zero personality

[vegemot]

The way he won the fight was intentional. He told his teammates before the fight that he thought James Thompson should have won vs. Kimbo and that he was going to hit him with little shots that Kimbo couldn't defend so to make the referee stop the fight. That looks ridiculous for everyone involved.

And I don't care if he's fat or not, it's just what it is. He's got a good skillset, but that doesn't change the fact that he's fat.

Is that true? i only watched the fight, not the whole show, so you may have me there.

In that case I concede that he didn't do himself any favours, and should have known that would piss dana off.

Still though, fuck dana, and fuck kimbo. Showing up kimbo to be a joke, and making the whole premise of putting him on the show look like a stupid publicity stunt is no bad thing in my book.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

roy nelson will make a solid gatekeeper in the ufc hw division, he'll beat fags like rothwell

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

nelson already got beat by rothwell in the IFL

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

bet you didnt know that did you faggot me a ton you none

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

fighters never improve

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

not when you're a bloated shitbag like nelson

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

wand already beat rampage in pride, rampage has no chance against him in the ufc

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

since he's retired he really doesn't have a chance

[Buckner1986]

according to your logic, roy might as well put his hands down and stand there against kimbo. cuz at least if he got ko'ed, he'd still make his opponent look good

fucking moron

I know that you want to deflect attention away from the anal raping you're getting from WR right now, but I answered this question (and it was from you) about 30 posts ago:

No. What he did was make both Kimbo and himself look like shit. How can an attitude like 'I'm just going to lay on him and make the ref stop the fight' make the UFC want to promote this guy? If he mounts him and pounds him out then he looks good and the UFC has something to work with. Right now all they have is a fat slob that refuses to train outside of his basement and that will provide some anti-MMA soundbites for assholes like Bill O'Reilly.

It probably would have been more advantageous to win a decision than to do what he did. He looked like a fool on the TV show that's helping to kickstart his career.

You aren't winning a battle on any front solid, so stop looking.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

solid's running on rice fumes right now buckner

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I know that you want to deflect attention away from the anal raping you're getting from WR right now, but I answered this question (and it was from you) about 30 posts ago:





You aren't winning a battle on any front solid, so stop looking.

how would it have been more advantageous if he won a decision? besides, you should never leave it in the hands of the judges, cuz you never know how they're gonna score it. roy did what he had to do, he won and he finished the fight

[vegemot]

Fuck all you guys. Roy Nelson is my hero. For obvious reasons.

[Buckner1986]

Is that true? i only watched the fight, not the whole show, so you may have me there.

In that case I concede that he didn't do himself any favours, and should have known that would piss dana off.

Still though, fuck dana, and fuck kimbo. Showing up kimbo to be a joke, and making the whole premise of putting him on the show look like a stupid publicity stunt is no bad thing in my book.

Yeah, that's what he said. Dana White was smart to put Kimbo on the show in a business sense. Roy Nelson is probably the best on the show, but has buried himself in Dana White's dog house on the show and even after the show in interviews. I think Roy Nelson has the skillset to be in the UFC, but he needs the UFC a hell of a lot more than the UFC needs Roy Nelson and he should act that way, IMO.

[Buckner1986]

how would it have been more advantageous if he won a decision? besides, you should never leave it in the hands of the judges, cuz you never know how they're gonna score it. roy did what he had to do, he won and he finished the fight

A decision would have been better than to look like shit the first time TUF fans have ever seen him. But I'm not just talking about the fight, mind you. I'm talking about all the comments before the fight (predicting a cheesy finish) and all the post TUF interviews where he's talked shit on Dana White and the UFC.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

how many guys can say they were able to finish a fight exactly the way they wanted in the octagon?

[Buckner1986]

Probably all the TUF winners won their first TUF fight just the way they wanted. Pretty shitty argument, solid. You're losing steam.