Saf you fucking hypocrite

[SatNav]

You call Bones a cheater for tho illegal elbows, but what about that faggy voiced homo named Anderson?

http://i43.tinypic.com/3013cdy.gif

[SatNav]

speaking of illegal elbows, what about the ones anderson landed on Lutter while he had him in the triangle?

same shit that Jones landed

[InternetHero]

:popcorn:

[Meaty Portion]

speaking of illegal elbows, what about the ones anderson landed on Lutter while he had him in the triangle?

same shit that Jones landed

Those were 6 to 12 which apparently is ok with the commission.

[SatNav]

:popcorn:

saf knows I will kick his ass up and down in this thread, so my bet is that the pussy won't show up.

[ArtardFiesta]

I wonder if it makes a difference if the fighter throwing the elbows is on the bottom instead of the top? Wasn't Anderson on his back when he was throwing the elbows?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I would like to take this time to thank Chael Sonnen for beating the shit out of that boring ass shitbag Okami ensuring I never have to see him in a televised fight again

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

and who fucking cares about the dq, Jones got dq'd for illegal strikes and even he doesn't have a problem with it. That fight should have been stopped after he landed about 30 unanswered blows before he even began throwing those elbows imo

[SatNav]

and who fucking cares about the dq, Jones got dq'd for illegal strikes and even he doesn't have a problem with it. That fight should have been stopped after he landed about 30 unanswered blows before he even began throwing those elbows imo

qft Jones won that fight, he just didn't get the W.

My goal of this thread is to point out the well known fact that saf is a hypocritical asshole

[AO!]

lol @ caring about anything to do with saf.

[vincent_vega]

Bones proved how awesome he is in that fight.

Jon Jones vs Lil Nog IMO.

[SatNav]

lol @ caring about anything to do with saf.

oh you care, you care alot

[Meaty Portion]

Someone cares about saf? Shit, not even his mother does.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

satnaz sounds extremely gotten to

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I would like to take this time to thank Chael Sonnen for beating the shit out of that boring ass shitbag Okami ensuring I never have to see him in a televised fight again

lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Bones proved how awesome he is in that fight.

Jon Jones vs Lil Nog IMO.

lil nog KO in the 1st, imo

pride never die, ya dig

[Bones of Satan]

jon jones is a monster.

i really only see shogun stopping this guy right now

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

jon jones is a monster.

i really only see shogun stopping this guy right now

:lmao:

[AO!]

jones would get shit on by a half decent striker i think. give him cantwell (unless he got cut) or stann or one of those fuckers next.

[AO!]

luiz cane maybe.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol, jones would beat those cans stann and canwell

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

luiz cane maybe.

luiz would win

[AO!]

could be. at least he gets tested and doesnt get shit on too badly.

[Bones of Satan]

jones just makes fighters look silly. he is extremely unorthodox much like machida only exciting

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

machida
shogun
rampage
anderson
chago

>>>>>>>>>>jones

[Bones of Satan]

machida
shogun
rampage
anderson
chago

>>>>>>>>>>jones

only shogun beats jones

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

jones just makes fighters look silly. he is extremely unorthodox much like machida only exciting

machida evans was exciting, imo

[AO!]

eos and solid in the same thread = see ya later.

[Kimo Therabones]

i think jones should avenge his loss to hamil

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

only shogun beats jones

get diego sanchez outta your av, you're gonna jinx him

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

eos and solid in the same thread = see ya later.

:potogold::potogold::potogold::potogold:

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

actually i'd like to see jones vs. brandon vera, that would be a good matchup, imo

[ArtardFiesta]

Diegos going to lose so it doesn't matter

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Diegos going to lose so it doesn't matter

you picked kenny over bj, lol just lol

[Bones of Satan]

get diego sanchez outta your av, you're gonna jinx him

lol i am gonna test my theory about the jinx with this fight. if diego loses or gets robbed of a decision... i am wearing a nate diaz av

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

lol i am gonna test my theory about the jinx with this fight. if diego loses or gets robbed of a decision... i am wearing a nate diaz av

test the jinx with another fight

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

actually you did have jones in your sig and he ended up getting dq'ed. you are bad luck

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

struve could submit buentello but struve's striking sucks

[Bones of Satan]

beuntello has no chin though

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I don't see Struve finishing Buentello with striking, if he beats him it will be by submission

[Polish Strong Man Can]

12 o'clock if the roof of the building and that doesn't change regardless of the fighter's position I thought?

[Bones of Satan]

lol why does hamil try to be a boxer now

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Hammill got fucking ruined, everyone is saying mazzaggatti did a good job but Matt ate about 30-40 unanswered shots before he ever threw the illegal elbows

[Bones of Satan]

machida
shogun
rampage
anderson
chago

>>>>>>>>>>jones

jones has reach on machida and will leg kick him and outpoint him the whole day

rampage will break down at the end of round 1, and have his corner throw in the towel since he won't stop crying

chago will wake up thinking he's a pirate

anderson beats jones

shogun beats jones

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

if Kimbo can make 205 they should feed Jardine to him

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

if Kimbo can make 205 they should feed Jardine to him

LOL

[Polish Strong Man Can]

Hammill got fucking ruined, everyone is saying mazzaggatti did a good job but Matt ate about 30-40 unanswered shots before he ever threw the illegal elbows


I agree with Dana "that guy shouldn't even be allowed to watch MMA much less ref it"

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

jones has reach on machida and will leg kick him and outpoint him the whole day

rampage will break down at the end of round 1, and have his corner throw in the towel since he won't stop crying

chago will wake up thinking he's a pirate

anderson beats jones

shogun beats jones

lol, so does your beloved rashad beat jones?

[Bones of Satan]

lol, so does your beloved rashad beat jones?


rashad is my favorite fighter but jones beats him too, jones is basically an exciting version of machida

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

machida rashad was exciting

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

oh and forgot lil nog from my previous post, he beats jones as well

[ArtardFiesta]

you picked kenny over bj, lol just lol

And so did you until about a week before the fight. I'm sure you should be changing your pick from Diego to BJ within the next day or so.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

And so did you until about a week before the fight. I'm sure you should be changing your pick from Diego to BJ within the next day or so.

nah, homey

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

UFN 27 Kimbo vs Jardine headlining with Tito vs Sinosic 2 co-main

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

kimbo should put sardine to sleep but i can also see sardine winning by kick and pray

[Polish Strong Man Can]

UFN 27 Kimbo vs Jardine headlining with Tito vs Sinosic 2 co-main


with the long awaited UFC return of Fred Ettish

[ArtardFiesta]

Kimbo vs. Jardine would be horrible.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Kimbo by KO

[ArtardFiesta]

I can see him doing exactly what solid said, leg kick his way to a boring ass decision.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jardine is dumb he insists on striking whoever he fights and has a chin made of the most fragile glass, I see him doing the exact same thing if he fights Kimbo and Joe Rogan questioning how much longer he can compete at the top level of mma after suffering so many brutal knockout losses afterwards

[___]

jones would get shit on by a half decent striker i think. give him cantwell (unless he got cut) or stann or one of those fuckers next.

And what makes you think that he wouldn't throw them like a bitch, mount and penetrate them like he did to that ritard?

I agree with Dana "that guy shouldn't even be allowed to watch MMA much less ref it"

He didn't do himself any favors with that call the event after Dana called him out,

[Bones of Satan]

they are gonna feed kimbo cans and tehn give him a to jon jones for his first title defense... most likely in feb '11

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jardine is a good one to start with

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I can see him doing exactly what solid said, leg kick his way to a boring ass decision.

houston alexander laid out the blueprint, lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

they are gonna feed kimbo cans and tehn give him a to jon jones for his first title defense... most likely in feb '11

get off the roids

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jardine will spend months training for the fight figuring out the perfect gameplan to beat Kimbo then promptly get knocked stiff by a Kimbo jab come fight time

[___]

Jardine would finish Kimbo with leg kicks.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Jardine would finish Kimbo with leg kicks.

:rofl:

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jardine would get uppercutted right out of the octagon and onto a gurney

[___]

:rofl:

I'm 100% serious. Kimbo has zero defense and if Houston wasn't so robotic and unimpressive with his kicks he would have. Kimbo has no gas and no defense, a tired Kimbo would fall down and not be able to lift himself back up in the third.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jardine would be in a light filled tunnel before the first round ends

[AO!]

I'm 100% serious. Kimbo has zero defense and if Houston wasn't so robotic and unimpressive with his kicks he would have. Kimbo has no gas and no defense, a tired Kimbo would fall down and not be able to lift himself back up in the third.

qft. jardine kicks pretty damn hard.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://i48.tinypic.com/ambpsn.gif

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I'm 100% serious. Kimbo has zero defense and if Houston wasn't so robotic and unimpressive with his kicks he would have. Kimbo has no gas and no defense, a tired Kimbo would fall down and not be able to lift himself back up in the third.

jardine couldn't even beat houston, he has no chance against kimbo

[AO!]

i can see that matchup happening soon.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

they're feeding jardine to bader first

[___]

jardine couldn't even beat houston, he has no chance against kimbo

This type of MMAth is why you're in 15th and I'm in second.

[RyanMclulz]

The post AO! made about Luiz Cane being a good opponent for Jones is hilarious. Just because Cane got knocked out by a superior striker doesn't mean he still isn't dangerous standing or on the ground. Jones needs to fight a few more cans, get the training camp experience, then let him start fighting top competition. He couldn't beat any of the top 5 lhw right now.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

wig has made some pretty retarded picks

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Clay Guida
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/188.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Diego Sanchez
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/98.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Clay Guida
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Diego Sanchez
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

[RyanMclulz]

Also, I see Struve knocking Buentello out or triangling him early in the first. Struve has good dutch Muy Thai and Buentello is susceptible to the clinch. It's a fight struve can easly win.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Georges St. Pierre
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/96.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">BJ Penn
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/218.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">BJ Penn
Fight ends in round 2
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Georges St. Pierre
Fight ends in round 4
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">andy Couture
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/59.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Gabriel Gonzaga
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/115.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Gabriel Gonzaga
Fight ends in round 2
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Randy Couture
Fight ends in round 3
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

[RyanMclulz]

wig has made some pretty retarded picks

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Clay Guida
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/188.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Diego Sanchez
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/98.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Clay Guida
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Diego Sanchez
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I don't see how that's stupid. I thought Guida won the fight. Diego clearly had a 10-8 round in the first, but in the 2nd and 3rd round he dropped both of um which should've gave Guida the split.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

LOL

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Alexander Gustafsson
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/436.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Jared Hamman
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/435.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Jared Hamman
Fight ends in round 1
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Alexander Gustafsson
Fight ends in round 1
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Nick Osipczak
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/417.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Matthew Riddle
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/306.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Matthew Riddle
Judge's decision
Unanimous/majority decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Nick Osipczak
Fight ends in round 3
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Brandon Vera
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/244.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Randy Couture
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/59.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Brandon Vera
Fight ends in round 1
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Randy Couture
Judge's decision
Unanimous/majority decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Dan Hardy
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/323.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Mike Swick
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/109.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Mike Swick
Judge's decision
Unanimous/majority decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Dan Hardy
Judge's decision
Unanimous/majority decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td> </tr> <tr> <td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Paul Kelly
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/256.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Dennis Siver
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/148.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Paul Kelly
Judge's decision
Unanimous/majority decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Dennis Siver
Fight ends in round 2
KO / TKO</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I don't see how that's stupid. I thought Guida won the fight. Diego clearly had a 10-8 round in the first, but in the 2nd and 3rd round he dropped both of um which should've gave Guida the split.

get out of the mma forum

[ArtardFiesta]

wig has made some pretty retarded picks

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Clay Guida
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/188.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Diego Sanchez
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/98.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Clay Guida
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Diego Sanchez
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

Houston by MURDER!!!

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

can't wait for florian to smash that can back to the d-level orgs where he belongs

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Houston by MURDER!!!

didn't expect him to throw the fight like that

[RyanMclulz]

get out of the mma forum

How the fuck can you say that? Diego dominated round 1 and got worked the last two rounds.

[___]

wig has made some pretty retarded picks

<table style="margin-top: 10px;" id="MPT" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="AC Small VA Brb" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(223, 223, 223); width: 95px;">Clay Guida
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/188.jpg</td> <td class="AC Brb">http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/vs.gif</td> <td class="Small AC VA Brb" style="width: 95px;">Diego Sanchez
http://www.mmaplayground.com/i/fighters/98.jpg</td> <td class="AC PlPr Brb WasWrong">Clay Guida
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC PlPr Wbg Brb">Diego Sanchez
Judge's decision
Split decision</td> <td class="AC Wbg BlBr">0</td></tr></tbody></table>

I picked a split for Guida and it was a split for Diego, that's retarded?

[RyanMclulz]

Florian is going to get worked by Guida.

[___]

And solid, no more of this BS. Post like a human or take a break IMO

[ArtardFiesta]

didn't expect him to throw the fight like that

And lets not even bring up how you thought Hamill was going to wreck jones.

You shouldn't be criticizing anyones picks.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

How the fuck can you say that? Diego dominated round 1 and got worked the last two rounds.

wow just wow

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I picked a split for Guida and it was a split for Diego, that's retarded?

should have never been a split. diego was robbed of a unanimous decision

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Florian is going to get worked by Guida.

:lmao:

you should stop watching MMA

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

so you lose to bj penn in the 4th round and you're suddenly a can now

lol just lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

And lets not even bring up how you thought Hamill was going to wreck jones.

You shouldn't be criticizing anyones picks.

hamill won the fight

TALK SHIT NOW

[RyanMclulz]

Someone really needs to implement a no trolling rule in the MMA Forum. When dumbasses like SAF and others constantly troll, it makes it not even fun to discuss MMA when you're constantly arguing with dumbasses over made up beliefs.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

And solid, no more of this BS. Post like a human or take a break IMO

1 year av bet on florian guida

[AO!]

The post AO! made about Luiz Cane being a good opponent for Jones is hilarious. Just because Cane got knocked out by a superior striker doesn't mean he still isn't dangerous standing or on the ground. Jones needs to fight a few more cans, get the training camp experience, then let him start fighting top competition. He couldn't beat any of the top 5 lhw right now.

jones vs cane would be pretty close i tihnk.

[RyanMclulz]

:lmao:

you should stop watching MMA

1 week ban bet?

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Someone really needs to implement a no trolling rule in the MMA Forum. When dumbasses like SAF and others constantly troll, it makes it not even fun to discuss MMA when you're constantly arguing with dumbasses over made up beliefs.

go make a thread whining about getting deleted again faget

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

1 week ban bet?

DEAL

[RyanMclulz]

jones vs cane would be pretty close i tihnk.

Ehhhh

Jones was impressive, but he was really sloppy on the ground. If he had been on the ground with a legit black belt, he'd have gotten submitted.

[___]

1 year av bet on florian guida

I picked Florian by 2nd rd. sub. Unlike you, I don't feel compelled to pick the guy I want to win, I pick who I think will win.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

jones vs cane would be pretty close i tihnk.

i agree, 2 overrated fighters against each other. seems even to me

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I picked Florian by 2nd rd. sub. Unlike you, I don't feel compelled to pick the guy I want to win, I pick who I think will win.

that's my pick too

and no, you still picked bj over gsp

[___]

jones vs cane would be pretty close i tihnk.

Ryan knows very little about MMA, that much is always apparent. Jones would be the favorite against Cane, for good reason.

He talks about Jones being young and untested, who the fuck has Cane beat? He's highly overrated. He barely got by Stann, or Cantwell, whichever one. I can't tell them apart.

[___]

His only decent win was waiting until Sokoudjou gassed and a TKO, yippee

[RyanMclulz]

There are certain fighters I will always pick regardless of how big a underdog they are. Call it ignorant, but I'm loyal to the select few fighters I've liked from day 1. Do I pick up new fighters I like from time to time? Yeah, but BJ, Mir, Tito, and Chuck have all been my favorite fighters from day 1 and I'll never pick against them.

[RyanMclulz]

Ryan knows very little about MMA, that much is always apparent. Jones would be the favorite against Cane, for good reason.

He talks about Jones being young and untested, who the fuck has Cane beat? He's highly overrated. He barely got by Stann, or Cantwell, whichever one. I can't tell them apart.

LOL I know plenty about MMA. Just because my opinion doesn't mesh with yours it means I don't know what I'm talking about?

[RyanMclulz]

Not too bad for an up and coming prospect.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Antonio-Rogerio-Nogueira-2270) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 106 - Ortiz vs. Griffin 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-106-Ortiz-vs-Griffin-2-11053) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">11/21/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:56 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Steve Cantwell (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Steve-Cantwell-12785) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">Decision (Unanimous) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 97 - Redemption (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-97-Redemption-9432) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">4/18/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">3 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">5:00 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rameau-Thierry-Sokoudjou-17010) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 89 - Bisping vs. Leben (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-89-Bisping-vs-Leben-8070) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">10/18/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">2 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">4:15 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Jason Lambert (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jason-Lambert-495) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 85 - Bedlam (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-85-Bedlam-6778) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">6/7/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">2:07 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> James Irvin (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Irvin-7780) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">DQ (Knee to the Head on the Ground) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 79 - Nemesis (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-79-Nemesis-5458) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">12/29/2007 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:51 </td></tr></tbody></table>

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

god i can't wait for kongo to absolutely send frank mir's faggot ass outta the ufc

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

There are certain fighters I will always pick regardless of how big a underdog they are. Call it ignorant, but I'm loyal to the select few fighters I've liked from day 1. Do I pick up new fighters I like from time to time? Yeah, but BJ, Mir, Tito, and Chuck have all been my favorite fighters from day 1 and I'll never pick against them.

chuck is gonna make tito cry like a bitch

[RyanMclulz]

They have both fought similar levels of competition, so yeah it'd be close, but I think Banha knocks him out.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr align="center"><td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Matt Hamill (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Matt-Hamill-16695) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">DQ (Illegal Downward Elbows) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC - The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-The-Ultimate-Fighter-10-Finale-11054) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">12/5/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">4:14 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Jake O'Brien (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jake-OBrien-14892) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">Submission (Guillotine Choke) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 100 - Lesnar vs. Mir 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-100-Lesnar-vs-Mir-2-9568) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">7/11/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">2 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">2:43 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Stephan Bonnar (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Stephan-Bonnar-3014) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">Decision (Unanimous) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-94-St-Pierre-vs-Penn-2-8465) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1/31/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">3 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">5:00 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Andre Gusmao (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Andre-Gusmao-15806) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">Decision (Unanimous) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 87 - Seek and Destroy (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-87-Seek-and-Destroy-6779) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">8/9/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">3 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">5:00 </td></tr></tbody></table>

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

they should make jon jones vs. lil nog and luiz cane vs. shogun, imo

[___]

LOL I know plenty about MMA. Just because my opinion doesn't mesh with yours it means I don't know what I'm talking about?

No you don't know much at all and you're regurgitating BS you read on SD or something a year ago.

[RyanMclulz]

chuck is gonna make tito cry like a bitch

I'm torn on that fight, but I am looking forward to it.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

I'm torn on that fight, but I am looking forward to it.

which round will tito quit in? i'm thinking 2nd

[___]

They have both fought similar levels of competition, so yeah it'd be close, but I think Banha knocks him out.

This not only makes sense, they haven't fought similar levels of comp. Jones has fought much tougher guys, and embarrassed them. Cane hasn't looked good against one decent guy.

[RyanMclulz]

No you don't know much at all and you're regurgitating BS you read on SD or something a year ago.

Actually I never read SD, I watch any and every fight I can, and I know I'm plenty knowledgable on the subject. I mean we can't all know everything about anything like you Wig. Your superior intellect just makes all of us so jealous.

[RyanMclulz]

This not only makes sense, they haven't fought similar levels of comp. Jones has fought much tougher guys, and embarrassed them. Cane hasn't looked good against one decent guy.

LOL he's finished 2-4 fights while Bones has only really decisioned people.

[RyanMclulz]

LOL his only finish is against chicken necked jake obrien.

[___]

I am far from all-knowing, but you can't give a decent argument as to why Cane would win. You've already changed your tune, starting off saying he had no chance. Backpedaling already because you have nothing to stand on.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

This not only makes sense, they haven't fought similar levels of comp. Jones has fought much tougher guys, and embarrassed them. Cane hasn't looked good against one decent guy.

stop trolling. they've fought the same level of competition

[___]

LOL he's finished 2-4 fights while Bones has only really decisioned people.

Decisions have nothing to do with how good one is.

LOL his only finish is against chicken necked jake obrien.

Chicken-necked? Are you really this dumb? O'Brien is a former HW and huge 205'r

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

LOL he's finished 2-4 fights while Bones has only really decisioned people.

jones decisioned andre gusmao who the fuckin polish experiment ko'ed in the 1st round

[RyanMclulz]

LOL and Stephan Bonnar lost to Mark Fucking Coleman who Jones decisioned as well. LOL Gusmao also lost to Krystof, so your statement about how he's fought touger opposition is laughavle.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

not to mention coleman also beat bonnar, lol

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

LOL and Stephan Bonnar lost to Mark Fucking Coleman who Jones decisioned as well. LOL Gusmao also lost to Krystof, so your statement about how he's fought touger opposition is laughavle.

:cheers:

[RyanMclulz]

Decisions have nothing to do with how good one is.



Chicken-necked? Are you really this dumb? O'Brien is a former HW and huge 205'r

Oh miste I know everything about MMA.

O'Brien has had neck surgery before he dropped down to LHW thus why I said he was chicken necked and got guillotined.

[___]

The post AO! made about Luiz Cane being a good opponent for Jones is hilarious. Just because Cane got knocked out by a superior striker doesn't mean he still isn't dangerous standing or on the ground. Jones needs to fight a few more cans, get the training camp experience, then let him start fighting top competition. He couldn't beat any of the top 5 lhw right now.

They have both fought similar levels of competition, so yeah it'd be close, but I think Banha knocks him out.

lol

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

lol at ryan crying for a no trolling rule because saf is pwning the shit out of his tubby pock marked ass

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Decisions have nothing to do with how good one is.



Chicken-necked? Are you really this dumb? O'Brien is a former HW and huge 205'r

obrien had a fuckin war with christian wellisch

:lmao:

[RyanMclulz]

:cheers:

:roflnut:

[___]

Oh miste I know everything about MMA.

O'Brien has had neck surgery before he dropped down to LHW thus why I said he was chicken necked and got guillotined.

What does neck surgery have to do with a chicken neck?

[RyanMclulz]

lol at ryan crying for a no trolling rule because saf is pwning the shit out of his tubby pock marked ass

No no

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

No no

yes

[ArtardFiesta]

Holy shit, Ryan is becoming solid.

[RyanMclulz]

What does neck surgery have to do with a chicken neck?

A WEAK FUCKING NECK just like Pat Miletich when he got guillotined by Renzo Gracie. They both had the same type of surgery on their necks and even Miletich said it's much harder to defend chokes now that their necks had been worked on.

[WAR OSCAR YEE]

Holy shit, Ryan is becoming solid.

if you can't beat em, join em? :potogold:

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I bet captain ramius is a big fan of jake o'brien

[RyanMclulz]

yes

i was trolling for lulz little buddy

[RyanMclulz]

I bet captain ramius is a big fan of jake o'brien

I can see Ramius at the next fight O'Brien has decked out like the just bleed guy with gay shamrocks all over his body.

[RyanMclulz]

Banha has faced tougher opposition. He fought Soko when soko was still believed to be a top 10 lhw.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Antonio-Rogerio-Nogueira-2270) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 106 - Ortiz vs. Griffin 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-106-Ortiz-vs-Griffin-2-11053) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">11/21/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:56 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Steve Cantwell (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Steve-Cantwell-12785) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">Decision (Unanimous) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 97 - Redemption (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-97-Redemption-9432) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">4/18/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">3 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">5:00 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rameau-Thierry-Sokoudjou-17010) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 89 - Bisping vs. Leben (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-89-Bisping-vs-Leben-8070) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">10/18/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">2 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">4:15 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Jason Lambert (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jason-Lambert-495) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 85 - Bedlam (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-85-Bedlam-6778) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">6/7/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">2:07 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> James Irvin (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Irvin-7780) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">DQ (Knee to the Head on the Ground) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 79 - Nemesis (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-79-Nemesis-5458) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">12/29/2007 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:51 </td></tr></tbody></table>

[AO!]

i dont know what te fuck neck surgey would have to do with defending chokes but ok.

[ArtardFiesta]

Someone really needs to implement a no trolling rule in the MMA Forum. When dumbasses like SAF and others constantly troll, it makes it not even fun to discuss MMA when you're constantly arguing with dumbasses over made up beliefs.

i was trolling for lulz little buddy

I think your access should be restricted.

[RyanMclulz]

i dont know what te fuck neck surgey would have to do with defending chokes but ok.

Uhhh Miletich admitted during his post fight interview that due to his neck surgery his neck hasn't been the same and he's more susceptible to chokes.

[Keelar Squeed]

Uhhh Miletich admitted during his post fight interview that due to his neck surgery his neck hasn't been the same and he's more susceptible to chokes.

harder to escape maybe, but defending a choke has nothing to do with neck strength. didn't you learn that as a disciple of the Gracie Barra system?

[Buckner1986]

I wonder if it makes a difference if the fighter throwing the elbows is on the bottom instead of the top? Wasn't Anderson on his back when he was throwing the elbows?

I remember a fight on the TUF Finale of one season between War Machine and Rollins (maybe?) where one guy was on the bottom elbowing the top man in the head and cut him up pretty bad. That was legal, apparently.

[ArtardFiesta]

I remember a fight on the TUF Finale of one season between War Machine and Rollins (maybe?) where one guy was on the bottom elbowing the top man in the head and cut him up pretty bad. That was legal, apparently.

If I'm remembering correctly I'm pretty sure Florian has done it from the bottom before, elbowing his opponent with the point of his elbow to the top of the guys head who is in his guard.

[___]

If I'm remembering correctly I'm pretty sure Florian has done it from the bottom before, elbowing his opponent with the point of his elbow to the top of the guys head who is in his guard.

Florian/Lauzon

[HOODS]

its downward elbows that are illegal, and imo they should be, you could fucking kill someone if in the right position like side mount that would be fucking ugly. Like that one fight in early ufc with the guy in the gi against that black dude, he nearly killed the fucker and that was one of the fights the politicians used to show for evidence that ufc is too dangerous a sport or whatever back in the day.

[AO!]

its downward elbows that are illegal, and imo they should be, you could fucking kill someone if in the right position like side mount that would be fucking ugly. Like that one fight in early ufc with the guy in the gi against that black dude, he nearly killed the fucker and that was one of the fights the politicians used to show for evidence that ufc is too dangerous a sport or whatever back in the day.

agreed. sucks for jones but rules are rules.

[AO!]

Uhhh Miletich admitted during his post fight interview that due to his neck surgery his neck hasn't been the same and he's more susceptible to chokes.

yea i dont care if jesus said it i dont understand how it makes sense. unless it causes horrendous pain for you to get choked i guess.

[___]

But to me, he was coming from a slight angle. He was coming from the side of the head, not directly up and down.

[AO!]

But to me, he was coming from a slight angle. He was coming from the side of the head, not directly up and down.

it looked downward to me. he was definately going for a downward elbow.

[HOODS]

well all i know is that rogan is a fucking dumbass, saying that downward elbows use same amount of force and inflict the same amount of damage as ones that come from the side. Thats just flat out wrong, its borderline common sense. Elbows from an angle produce cuts and are pretty brutal too but downward elbows you are basically using your elbow as a weapon and have much more leverage than and angled elbow. Which leads to more force and your elbow is hitting the person like a blunt object instead of a grazing motion. Its just too different things.

[RyanMclulz]

The reason that downward 12 to 6 elbows are illegal is because of the leverage and force that can be created from being in top position. Like hoods said, it could easily kill someone if hit in the right place with the proper amount of force.

6 to 12 from the bottom has been used plenty of times, but because the same amount of force can;t be generated from being the downed opponent, they aren't deemed illegal.

[AO!]

The reason that downward 12 to 6 elbows are illegal is because of the leverage and force that can be created from being in top position. Like hoods said, it could easily kill someone if hit in the right place with the proper amount of force.

6 to 12 from the bottom has been used plenty of times, but because the same amount of force can;t be generated from being the downed opponent, they aren't deemed illegal.

whos asking why they are illegal?

[Meaty Portion]

Banha has faced tougher opposition. He fought Soko when soko was still believed to be a top 10 lhw.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td>http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Antonio-Rogerio-Nogueira-2270) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 106 - Ortiz vs. Griffin 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-106-Ortiz-vs-Griffin-2-11053) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">11/21/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:56 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Steve Cantwell (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Steve-Cantwell-12785) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">Decision (Unanimous) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 97 - Redemption (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-97-Redemption-9432) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">4/18/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">3 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">5:00 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Rameau-Thierry-Sokoudjou-17010) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 89 - Bisping vs. Leben (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-89-Bisping-vs-Leben-8070) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">10/18/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">2 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">4:15 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> Jason Lambert (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Jason-Lambert-495) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">TKO (Punches) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray"> UFC 85 - Bedlam (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-85-Bedlam-6778) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">6/7/2008 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray">2:07 </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Loss </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> James Irvin (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Irvin-7780) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">DQ (Knee to the Head on the Ground) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 79 - Nemesis (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-79-Nemesis-5458) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">12/29/2007 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1:51 </td></tr></tbody></table>
Come on, man. Just because someone was "believed" to have been top 10 doesn't make it so. Plus you have Lambert and Cantwell in there so this line of argument fails.