Allowing QB to call plays

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Indianapolis' no-huddle shotgun success is doubly vexing, because the Colts are first in passing yards, but tied for last in rushing yards. When this team approaches the line of scrimmage, it's not like there is some enormous mystery regarding what they're going to do. So how do you explain the success of the Colts' no-huddle?

One explanation is great offensive line play, led by TMQ's main man, undrafted future Hall of Famer Jeff Saturday. The Colts' offensive line has allowed the fewest sacks in the league, and also allowed the fewest quarterback hits. Another explanation is continuity -- Peyton Manning has worked with the same offensive coordinator his entire NFL career. Another reason is Manning himself -- he's fairly good. Another reason is that the no-huddle pace is so fast, defensive substitutions are limited. That means in the second half, the Colts face a tired defense, since playing defense is more tiring than playing offense.

But here, TMQ thinks, is the real reason the Indianapolis attack is so hard to stop, generating 23 victories in its last 24 games: Manning is the sole NFL quarterback who calls his own plays. Tom Moore says he radios in "suggestions" to Manning, and he's not being cute. Many plays drawn up by Moore and Manning have multiple options -- any one of several things can happen, depending on the defense. When Manning comes to the line, he chooses which variation to use. Most of the time, Manning simply calls whatever he wants to call. Often several of the receivers are running "sight adjustments." They don't have a specific pattern called at the line -- rather, they run what seems likely to be open given the defensive set.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/091222&sportCat=nfl

In this article they talk about why the Colts offense is so efficient. They say that they think it is largely in part of the fact that Manning calls his own plays at the line. Now after this whole Favre debacle, my question is, do you think the top half of the QB's in the league should do this as well? Do you think it would work?

I don't see it for the majority of guys. Or more than a couple, really. I think the biggest problem is the QB's competitive nature. Manning has thrown the ball more than anyone this year and is always right up there at the top for attempts. I think him calling the shots may sway those numbers slightly more than if Tom Moore was doing it. Not that that is a bad thing, it's natural and it works.

The other problem I could see is a QB's desire for a big play perhaps. This one I'm not so sure about, but once again getting a big play is obviously desirable naturally and a lot of QB's may call more double moves and such. Not as big of a deal or realistic as my first point perhaps, but I could see some issue.

Some guys I think their teams should consider this on a part-time basis to start are:

Mcnabb: Pass heavy offense, intelligent QB, stretch the field a lot as is

Brady: Same as above, plus has always worked best under the 2 minute drill and this is as close to simulating that as there is.

Brees: Same as Mcnabb

Schaub: They gun it a lot and the more opportunities they have to see holes in coverages for Andre Johnson the better. (Tell me that isn't the best receiver in football right now by a mile, coming from a Colts fan. Reggie is 2nd, but it's a distant 2nd)

And last and certainly least on the list of people I would want calling my plays, Favre. I mean it. And that's not just because I hate the old bastard. I just don't think he would ever run the ball, lol. Seriously, I couldn't imagine an offense with him essentially as the coordinator, it would be a circus.

Oh, and I haven't slept and just took a bong rip, so if there are a lot of errors, none of it makes sense, or it's just plain stupid, fuck you.

[California Giant]

Lol you called McNabb intelligent. Hes black. They just dont have the same brain power as us.

I can see Big Ben being able to call his own plays, he would probably run it a fair amount too.

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Big Ben would have been on there if their team wasn't best when they threw it 15 times a game. Could you imagine a QB calling that few passing plays? I doubt it.

[Buckner1986]

I don't think it's fair to say that one QB could call his own plays while another could not. These guys aren't used to doing this and I don't think many QBs even get past their 2nd option before freaking out or checking down to the RB on a regular basis.

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I think it's fair to say that Manning is the hardest working, best football smarts QB in the NFL today.

Nobody on the field does what he does and I think most others would be overwhelmed. Even Manning gets flustered on occasion at the line and he's been doing it for years.

[Buckner1986]

I think it's fair to say that Manning is the hardest working, best football smarts QB in the NFL today.

Nobody on the field does what he does and I think most others would be overwhelmed. Even Manning gets flustered on occasion at the line and he's been doing it for years.

Yeah, def. But to do these things you need a coach/coordinator that sticks around so that you can learn the system and improve. That doesn't happen a lot these days.

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For sure for sure. Tom Moore has been there for every snap of his career, and he's good on top of that.

So you have a QB and OC who have been together over 10 years and the hardest working/football smart QB. Without one of those pieces it could fail bad.

[Buckner1986]

wig basically made this thread just so everyone would come in and say how good of a QB Peyton is. Weak sauce.

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lol I really didn't. When I made it I thought the guys I listed should be given a chance to try it in a 1/4 of a game or something, and still do. It would take practice, but a couple of those guys would do a fine job.

[Buckner1986]

O-Coordinators don't want to see this happen. It makes them look like they're getting paid for nothing.

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I hear ya, but does anyone think Tom Moore doesn't serve a major fucking purpose?

[Buckner1986]

I hear ya, but does anyone think Tom Moore doesn't serve a major fucking purpose?

He does, but I don't think coordinators want their play calling ability taken away from them.

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Oh yeah, I totally agree. I just think it's unfortunate, because if the QB can handle it, it only makes sense. Imagine playing Madden and seeing the defenses formation before the play call.

[flashNsmash]

JaMarcus Russell would have thrown for 4000 yards and 25 TDs if it wasn't for his offensive coordinator being a POS.

[gumby]

Rivers

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Brees

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None except for the Manning bros and maybe Brady. QBs aren't as intelligent as you give them credit for. I am starting to think BRady is just a product of Belicheck/Moss/Welker though...

[gumby]

manning bros? As in Eli? lol, just lol.

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He's a smart QB, but he doesn't have the same physical tools as Peyton it seems.

[CensoredToezFlava]

Schaub: They gun it a lot and the more opportunities they have to see holes in coverages for Andre Johnson the better. (Tell me that isn't the best receiver in football right now by a mile, coming from a Colts fan. Reggie is 2nd, but it's a distant 2nd)



No, just no

[Bones of Satan]

fitz > AJ

[stulecanem]

My opinion is that there are three main things at play here and all three are required to successfully run your own offense from QB



Simple physical ability - The ability to be a good quarterback - rare enough on its own
Intelligence to understand the right time to call which plays to explose the defense etc - It's one thing to remember the playbook and another thing else entirely to understand how and when to apply different plays in order to breakdown the defense
Coolness under pressure - Either of the above without this usually ends in failure


I think a lot of quarterbacks might posses one or two of those attributes but very rarely all 3 in combination.

[CensoredToezFlava]

Randy Moss should also always be mentioned when talking about best WRs.

[CensoredToezFlava]

My opinion is that there are three main things at play here and all three are required to successfully run your own offense from QB



Simple physical ability - The ability to be a good quarterback - rare enough on its own
Intelligence to understand the right time to call which plays to explose the defense etc - It's one thing to remember the playbook and another thing else entirely to understand how and when to apply different plays in order to breakdown the defense
Coolness under pressure - Either of the above without this usually ends in failure


I think a lot of quarterbacks might posses one or two of those attributes but very rarely all 3 in combination.

Short memory and confidence as well. A QB needs to be able to put their mistakes behind them or they play like pussies.

[stulecanem]

Short memory and confidence as well. A QB needs to be able to put their mistakes behind them or they play like pussies.

Yeah I see those both being in the "coolness" category but I agree with you both are critical

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Randy Moss should also always be mentioned when talking about best WRs.

He's not even the best WR on his team.

[CensoredToezFlava]

He's not even the best WR on his team.

Part of being a great WR is drawing double teams to open up teammates. Part of Welker's success can be attributed to being on the same team as Moss.

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I bet if you look at all the tape from this season, Welker got just about as many doubles as Moss. And he didn't quit when he received them.

Moss is the most talented ever though

[CensoredToezFlava]

It's because he's black, isn't it?

[Buckner1986]

I bet if you look at all the tape from this season, Welker got just about as many doubles as Moss. And he didn't quit when he received them.

Moss is the most talented ever though

Moss is one of the most physically gifted, I don't know if he the most talented.

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The difference between physically gifted and naturally talented is?

[CensoredToezFlava]

Gee willickers, them coloreds is fast. Sometimes I think God made them that way because he knew they'd be running from the police so much

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I live in Oregon, you live in Wisconsin. Oh, I have black friends, too.

http://i49.tinypic.com/fneid5.jpg

Show me the racist

[CensoredToezFlava]

I'm just playing, sugar tits.

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How come you never see that I'm joking too.

I asked that guy (childhood friend) if he would take a picture with me in case someone called me racist. This was just the first opportunity.

[super hot]

All QB's should be intelligent enough to call their own plays. They need to be able to recognize defenses and audible out of play calls in order to make defenses pay.

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Reggie isn't number two either. Larry Fitzgerald is

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Doing it once in a while and essentially running the offense are two different things. As of now, they just need to see obvious situations.

[CensoredToezFlava]

How come you never see that I'm joking too.

I asked that guy (childhood friend) if he would take a picture with me in case someone called me racist. This was just the first opportunity.

LOL

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Reggie isn't number two either. Larry Fitzgerald is

Fitz had the best playoff run ever by a mile, but nah. Too inconsistent.

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Fitz had the best playoff run ever by a mile, but nah. Too inconsistent.

The inconsistency can be blamed more on the QB play more than anything. Imagine the numbers he would have playing in the colts offense with Manning

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What if . . .

Fact is he wasn't top 15 this year in yards, a year when Boldin wasn't healthy and they needed to rely on him. He didn't step up.

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97 catches over a thousand yards and 13 tds sounds like a really good year to me.

Wayne had just a little over a hundred yards more receiving and three touchdowns less. Doesn't seem like much of a huge gap to me.

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Fitz had Dallas Clark numbers IMO

[CensoredToezFlava]

LOL. Quit being a homer.

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lol, compare their stat lines and the only difference is 3 catches and about a hundred yards. You're blinded by your nutthuggery

[CensoredToezFlava]

Driver and Jennings both got over 1,000 yards, sharing it with 2 other 500 yard receivers, a 1,200 yard back, and the number 1 rushing QB in the league. Throw them on the motherfucking list.

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No Cozy, but Reggie is the best because Wig said so

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Even though they pass more than half the time and has the best QB in the league

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I was joking. Fitz is great too, no doubt. Him and Wayne are about the same level, Johnson isn't. That was my point.

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Even though they pass more than half the time and has the best QB in the league

lol, when did AZ become a running team?

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I agree on Johnson. That dude has been a monster on my fantasy team for two years.

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But yeah, I'll tote 'mah boys', but if Fitz and Gates were there to catch shit from Manning it would be scary.

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SOrry but Welker isn't double teamed half as much as Moss. And yes, go watch that tape. Why do you think Edelman can fill in for Welker and be nearly as effective?

Moss is probably the second best WR to ever play the game, with only Jerry Rice ahead of him.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

SOrry but Welker isn't double teamed half as much as Moss. And yes, go watch that tape. Why do you think Edelman can fill in for Welker and be nearly as effective?

Moss is probably the second best WR to ever play the game, with only Jerry Rice ahead of him.

Look at Culpepper during and post Moss. Enough said.

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Look at Culpepper during and post Moss. Enough said.

Randall Cunningham during the end of his career as well.....The guy sucked wet shit until Moss came to save him.

*waits for Wig to claim Chris Carter and Jake Reed required the coverage, leaving Moss wide open*

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Dude, Moss was a fucking stud in his day. But his day is gone. Welker got plenty of double teams all year long. People double Moss early because they know they can get him to shut down.

Without Moss Culpepper was a born can.

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And lol @ Edelman. They were feeding him the ball trying to get rhythm knowing they were without Welker. Welker had the 2nd most catches ever. . . in 13 games.

[Buckner1986]

The difference between physically gifted and naturally talented is?

You didn't say 'naturally'. By talented you mean running routes, finding the open areas of zones and being fundamentally sound.

There are dozens of WRs in the league that do all those things better than Randy Moss.

[super hot]

Moss > Wayne

[Buckner1986]

I live in Oregon, you live in Wisconsin. Oh, I have black friends, too.

http://i49.tinypic.com/fneid5.jpg

Show me the racist

That's only one black guy. And BEND called, he wants his shirt back.

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You didn't say 'naturally'. By talented you mean running routes, finding the open areas of zones and being fundamentally sound.

There are dozens of WRs in the league that do all those things better than Randy Moss.

You are such a putz sometimes. Oh, and TALK SHIT NOW

Main Entry: tal·ent
Pronunciation: \ˈta-lənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English talente, from Latin talenta, plural of talentum unit of weight or money, from Greek talanton pan of a scale, weight; akin to Greek tlēnai to bear; in senses 2–5, from the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14–30 — more at tolerate
Date: before 12th century

1 a : any of several ancient units of weight b : a unit of value equal to the value of a talent of gold or silver
2 archaic : a characteristic feature, aptitude, or disposition of a person or animal
3 : the natural endowments of a person

That's only one black guy. And BEND called, he wants his shirt back.

Truth be told, he's only half. :um:

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Plus, I look way cute in that shirt.

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And lol @ Edelman. They were feeding him the ball trying to get rhythm knowing they were without Welker. Welker had the 2nd most catches ever. . . in 13 games.

That's super, but he wouldn't get half of those if he wasn't playing with a dominant WR like Moss. He's an above average receiver who just so happens to fit perfectly in that Patriots system.

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If I were the Patriots RIGHT NOW, I would give up Moss to get Welker back, no questions asked.

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Moss > Wayne

For sure.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

I can't bash Welker too much. He doesn't score TDs, but he has been golden in mah PPR league. I've had him two of the past three years, and he's netted me about 120 catches both years.

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If I were the Patriots RIGHT NOW, I would give up Moss to get Welker back, no questions asked.

That's insane. Give up your biggest red zone/deep threat all for a guy who gets 10 grabs a game for 110 yards? Dumb.

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Just lol. Moss isn't the same person you grew up watching, Ex, stop thinking he is.

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I can't bash Welker too much. He doesn't score TDs, but he has been golden in mah PPR league. I've had him two of the past three years, and he's netted me about 120 catches both years.

PPR leagues are what queers play.

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That's insane. Give up your biggest red zone/deep threat all for a guy who gets 10 grabs a game for 110 yards? Dumb.

Give up your guy you count on to move the chains on 3rd and 5 in hopes of a homerun? Dumb.

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Just lol. Moss isn't the same person you grew up watching, Ex, stop thinking he is.

I agree with that. Moss can get shut down in double coverage here and there, but he will always maintain that double. Welker doesn't always need to be doubled since he's not going to be making big plays, or even be a threat to score.

Moss/Edelman > Welker/Edelman

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

You can go to RBs for the short passing game that Welker gave the Pats. It won't be as effective, but they managed to win 3 Super Bowls with Deion Branch, David Givens, and Mike Fucking Vrabel.

[Buckner1986]

You are such a putz sometimes. Oh, and TALK SHIT NOW


wig, we've talked about making up facts to support your argument and putting them in a quote box. That does not make them true, bud.

And why did you use the 3rd definition? If I made that dictionary entry up, I would have put the definition to support my case as the primary one. Nice try.

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Give up your guy you count on to move the chains on 3rd and 5 in hopes of a homerun? Dumb.

You act like they have no one else that can catch a quick outs pass.

[Buckner1986]

They do, his name is Julian Edleman.

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I bet if Wig could make his own all-time team, it would consist of Peyton Manning, Travis Jervey, Wes Welker, Don Beebe, Dallas Clark, and Daryl Johnston.

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I agree with that. Moss can get shut down in double coverage here and there, but he will always maintain that double. Welker doesn't always need to be doubled since he's not going to be making big plays, or even be a threat to score.

Moss/Edelman > Welker/Edelman

Moss had 60% of his TD's in 3 games, almost half in two games. He can be a game changer, either direction. I would rather have a guy that can keep my defense off the field as opposed to someone who can take over 2 games a year.

wig, we've talked about making up facts to support your argument and putting them in a quote box. That does not make them true, bud.

And why did you use the 3rd definition? If I made that dictionary entry up, I would have put the definition to support my case as the primary one. Nice try.

Somehow I'm amazed how you never seem to get sick of being ownt.

You act like they have no one else that can catch a quick outs pass.

None that can do it as well or as often. Would you rather have Marvin Harrison in his prime or Moss right now?

[Buckner1986]

Holy shit, Travis Jervey. Wayne Chrebet>>Don Beebe, though.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

And it's not like Ben Watson is a slouch either.

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I bet if Wig could make his own all-time team, it would consist of Peyton Manning, Travis Jervey, Wes Welker, Don Beebe, Dallas Clark, and Daryl Johnston.

I already said Gates > Clark

And don't be hatin' on Moose!

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Moss had 60% of his TD's in 3 games, almost half in two games. He can be a game changer, either direction. I would rather have a guy that can keep my defense off the field as opposed to someone who can take over 2 games a year.



Somehow I'm amazed how you never seem to get sick of being ownt.



None that can do it as well or as often. Would you rather have Marvin Harrison in his prime or Moss right now?

Harrison in his prime for sure, but if you're saying Welker = Harrison, you know nothing about football.

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I already said Gates > Clark

And don't be hatin' on Moose!


Finley will be passing up Gates next year, don't worry.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Holy shit, Travis Jervey. Wayne Chrebet>>Don Beebe, though.

Simply by saying the name Wayne Chrebet, I can all but guarantee you have given him another concussion.

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Simply by saying the name Wayne Chrebet, I can all but guarantee you have given him another concussion.

Somewhere, right now, Keyshawn Johnson is bitching about his catches being stolen by that cracker.

[Buckner1986]

Finley, my fantasy sleeper forgot to fucking wake up this season. Well played, Packers.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Keyshawn is the greatest possession receiver ever drafter 1st overall IMO.

[Buckner1986]

Simply by saying the name Wayne Chrebet, I can all but guarantee you have given him another concussion.

LOL

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Finley, my fantasy sleeper forgot to fucking wake up this season. Well played, Packers.

I picked him up like week 13 or 14 and he did well. Faggot ass Chris Cooley went down earlier in the year and I was playing musical chairs at TE up until Finley caught on.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Finley, my fantasy sleeper forgot to fucking wake up this season. Well played, Packers.

At least you didn't hold out that Randy McMichael would have his breakout year. I got pwnt by my own team bad.

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Mike McCarthy spent too much time giving Donald Lee a chance to produce this year.

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Harrison in his prime for sure, but if you're saying Welker = Harrison, you know nothing about football.

I'm not saying that, but Welker is very good. Team moral is worse with Welker getting hurt than Moss too. If he were in Indy for his career his numbers would be insane.

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I'm not saying that, but Welker is very good. Team moral is worse with Welker getting hurt than Moss too. If he were in Indy for his career his numbers would be insane.

Peyton would be very close to Favre's records right now. Favre would be playing to retirement game for another 20 years to try and prevent Peyton from shattering his records.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

I'm not saying that, but Welker is very good. Team moral is worse with Welker getting hurt than Moss too. If he were in Indy for his career his numbers would be insane.

Morale would be shot if anyone had their knee shredded like that IMO.

[super hot]

Steve Tasker > all

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Steve Tasker > all

Ed McCaffrey says otherwise.

[super hot]

McCaffrey was on roids and he wasn't a special teams game changer

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McCaffrey was on roids and he wasn't a special teams game changer

He's the only reason TD ran for over 2,000 yards.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Remember when McCaffrey had his leg flopping around after he made that catch? That was pretty lulz.

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Peyton would be very close to Favre's records right now. Favre would be playing to retirement game for another 20 years to try and prevent Peyton from shattering his records.

Fact is none of us really know how good Wayne or Clark are.

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Well Wayne and Johnson are the to All-Pro WR's this year, so TALK SHIT NOW

[super hot]

We all know that the pro bowl don't mean shit.

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All-Pro, not probowl. As in the top two in the NFL.

[super hot]

That don't mean shit either

[Bones of Satan]

lol tasker, bebe, cherbert, mccafery

where did the white WR's go

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Stokely and Welker? Gonzalez looks white and is a slot guy, makes him white enough for me.

[super hot]

Gonzalez is cuban

[Kimo Therabones]

jordy nelson is the #3 on the packers squad

[Bones of Satan]

their use to be white cornerbacks too rgith? i remember jason seahorn being one of the best

[super hot]

Seahorn sucked. Whites are only decent at safety