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Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 12:45 PM
http://mmajunkie.com/news/17426/ufc-officials-vow-to-sue-individuals-for-pay-per-view-piracy-in-forthcoming-crackdown.mma

LAS VEGAS — Mixed martial arts fans who watch pirated internet content could soon be pressed against the cage says the president of an industry-leading fight promotion. In a move that could signal a sea change in the viral presence of MMA — the burgeoning sport of caged pugilism — Dana White, president of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, said his company is readying a legal assault on individuals and websites that deal in unauthorized content.

"When people start going to jail, people will stop doing it," White said.

The pay-per-view industry, of which the UFC has emerged as one of the most profitable players with an estimated $349 million in revenue in 2009, is the latest front in a war between consumers who want free content and entertainment companies with a product to protect.

The weapon of choice for digital thieves: streaming video websites that beam live pay-per-view signals to their home computers, free of charge.

UFC CEO Lorenzo Fertitta testified for the U.S. House Judiciary Committee earlier this month during a referendum on internet piracy of sporting events and said his anti-piracy team had uncovered 271 illegal streams of UFC 106 with over 140,000 viewers.

"The piracy of live sporting events is illegal, it kills jobs, and it threatens the expansion of U.S. based companies," Fertitta told lawmakers. "The UFC is potentially losing millions of dollars a year from piracy."

Thus far, the music and movie industries have been at the forefront of efforts to stop the spread of online piracy. The first shot was fired in 1999, when the Recording Industry Association of America sued online file sharing company Napster for copyright infringement. Since then, the black market for content — and the technology to provide it — has exploded in popularity.

Despite massive campaigns to educate fans on the illegal practice, streaming and sharing websites have become big business and are virtually impossible to curb when hosted in countries with lax copyright laws.

In recent years, the RIAA has begun suing individuals for illegal downloading, a practice that carries on today. Hollywood has targeted websites that carry pirated movies. Last July, Warner Bros. launched a massive campaign to halt the illegal download of "The Dark Knight" but failed to stem a tide of leaks and links that allowed seven million people to watch the blockbuster movie, according to The New York Times.

The fight industry has by and large limited their anti-piracy efforts to the online equivalent of a cease-and-desist, contacting websites that carry illegal content with a notice that they are in violation of copyright laws. Websites like Justin.tv, one of the biggest online streaming video websites, typically remove illegal broadcast feeds, though they often harbor links to sites that carry other feeds.

An angry White said his company had been considering legal action for years but mounting losses had forced action.

"It's going to be a battle, man," White said. "It's going to be a battle, but I'm ready to [expletive] fight.

"We're gonna go after them, we're gonna go after them hard, and we're gonna hurt them."

Lawrence Epstein, the UFC's general legal counsel, said the company could subpoena websites that carry illegal content for the IP addresses and user information of people who watch and download UFC fights, though he declined to say when that would happen.

"We're looking at all of our legal options, and I wouldn't rule out anything when it comes to fighting this problem," Epstein said.

White said the UFC's anti-piracy team monitors illegal streams during events and aggressively pursues offending websites, though he admitted suing websites and individuals would be a costly effort.

"[Piracy] hasn't cost us anything compared to what it's going to cost us to go after these guys," White said. "It's gonna cost us a lot of money, but guess what — it's gonna cost them a lot of money. It's gonna get to the point where it's like, you know what, [expletive] it, maybe we shouldn't pirate MMA any more.

"You got these websites like Justin.tv, and they pirate all kinds of things. They play all kinds of [expletive] on there. Well, we're gonna make it where it's not worth it to put UFC events up on the website."

And with at least 12 pay-per-view events per year — at $44.95 a pop, $55.95 for the HD version — UFC fans may be forced to ask if it's worth it.

Currently, the promotion has two authorized providers of internet pay-per-view – UFC.com, and Yahoo! Sports – at the same price as the standard television broadcast. Epstein says the internet price is mandated by the promotion's contract with pay-per-view providers like DirecTV and DISH Network and cannot be lowered.

Epstein says an average of eight to ten people split a legal UFC pay-per-view broadcast, bringing the price down to around $5 a head (plus beer and pizza), and events are often available in bars and clubs around the city. But for many fans under 21 — the so-called "Generation Wired" — the choice is simple.

UFC commentator Joe Rogan understands the promotion's plight but thinks an Internet crackdown is an unnecessary step.

"I think that kind of stifles innovation," Rogan said. "It stifles the direction the Internet is going. I like things being out there. I think people are always going to buy UFC pay-per-views. You're going to get a much better experience watching it on your television than all stretched out looking fuzzy and pixilated.

"They're trying to protect their money, but the Internet is a strange animal."

Epstein said the UFC had joined a coalition of major sports franchises including the NFL, MLB, and NCAA, and planned to lobby lawmakers to get tough on piracy.

"Are there always going to be people that are going to steal? Yeah," said Epstein. "There are going to be people that rob convenience stores and banks, too. You can put up bars, you can put up cameras, but people continue to do bad things. You're not going to stop all of it.

"I think this is about stopping the good majority of law-abiding citizens who, without education, might not understand that what they're doing is not the right thing to do."

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01-05-2010, 12:46 PM
Yeah this will get interesting. I don't see how Zuffa can get much done when the music and movie industries can't. Like Rogan says, you can't stop the internet, man.

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 12:50 PM
weren't a lot of people sued or fined for using napster and kazaa in the good ole days though

ArtardFiesta
01-05-2010, 12:51 PM
I have absolutely no problem with shelling the cash out when there is a card that I'm excited to see but there's no fucking way i will waste my money on cards like some of the recent ones.

super hot
01-05-2010, 12:52 PM
I haven't paid for ppv's in years. But I also don't stream it on the internet. I'm glad I have friends who like paying for shit cards.

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 12:54 PM
just watch it at a bar

ArtardFiesta
01-05-2010, 12:54 PM
They will be fighting a losing battle with this one. Once one site gets taken down another one will pop up, it's never going to stop.

super hot
01-05-2010, 12:57 PM
just watch it at a bar

That's what I'm saying, but these dudes like watching it alone in their room on a 15 inch monitor

___
01-05-2010, 12:58 PM
They will be fighting a losing battle with this one. Once one site gets taken down another one will pop up, it's never going to stop.

Watch half this site get thrown in jail haha

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 12:59 PM
They will be fighting a losing battle with this one. Once one site gets taken down another one will pop up, it's never going to stop.

they won't be targeting the sites, but likely getting IPS and tracking down each individual viewer watching it. If people are afraid to use these sites, no one will go to them

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
01-05-2010, 12:59 PM
I've been buying them. Fuck the Ortiz-Griffin card though. I didn't pay anything for that pile of turds.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
01-05-2010, 01:01 PM
Saunders and Lil Nog ended up having nice KO's though.

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 01:02 PM
are you guys all minors? u can go to a bar, buy one drink or buy some dinner and ur watching the ppv for 5-10 bucks

ArtardFiesta
01-05-2010, 01:04 PM
are you guys all minors? u can go to a bar, buy one drink or buy some dinner and ur watching the ppv for 5-10 bucks

The closest bar to me that shows it is about an hour away. I would have no problem doing that once in a while but the bars are a fucking mad house when they show the events, plus i don't feel like listening to all those drunken assholes that will be shouting and yelling at the TV while I'm trying to watch the fight.

super hot
01-05-2010, 01:05 PM
There are tons of bars here that show the ppvs. You can find some hot chicks there too.

snipe
01-05-2010, 01:09 PM
so the UFC is gonna strike gold one day, crack a stream and find 140,000 IPS and what, take everyone one of them to court? lol just lol

snipe
01-05-2010, 01:10 PM
imagine that atleast half of those people deny it or come up with some excuse to drag their feet in court all the money the ufc would be wasting

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 01:10 PM
About every bar around here shows the ppvs.... sure you a bunch of tapot/affliction/ed hardy idiots watching the ppvs .... but watching them in beteween gerard butler promoting meet the spartans is pretty entertaining.

PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC
01-05-2010, 01:14 PM
are you guys all minors? u can go to a bar, buy one drink or buy some dinner and ur watching the ppv for 5-10 bucks

I am old as shit, but I am not going to sit and listen to Clarence and Jawonton in the booth next to me talk about how they can beat the shit out of every fighter on the card.

super hot
01-05-2010, 01:21 PM
I don't mind going to bars if I have to. I usually have a lot of friends who'd go with me and still have a great time.

PJ III
01-05-2010, 01:50 PM
The closest bar to me that shows it is about an hour away. I would have no problem doing that once in a while but the bars are a fucking mad house when they show the events, plus i don't feel like listening to all those drunken assholes that will be shouting and yelling at the TV while I'm trying to watch the fight.

an hour away? jesus dude where the fuck do you live?

Gasmasker
01-05-2010, 01:59 PM
watching ppv ufc cards in bars sucks IMO and by the time I spend 3 or 4 hours in a bar/restaurant I've usually spent at least $40, may as well buy the card.

super hot
01-05-2010, 02:00 PM
watching ppv ufc cards in bars sucks IMO and by the time I spend 3 or 4 hours in a bar/restaurant I've usually spent at least $40, may as well buy the card.

Easy there big baller

Nutstache
01-05-2010, 02:33 PM
I will represent anyone here who gets sued.

Wilma Fingerdo
01-05-2010, 02:34 PM
reminds me, I haven't seen the Silva/ Sugah fight

Wilma Fingerdo
01-05-2010, 02:34 PM
watching ppv ufc cards in bars sucks IMO and by the time I spend 3 or 4 hours in a bar/restaurant I've usually spent at least $40, may as well buy the card.

lol lightweight

Holic
01-05-2010, 02:48 PM
Dana White's global death war against his own fans continues

Saska
01-05-2010, 02:49 PM
Good. It will weed out all of you rubbies who watch events on 17" monitors.

Holic
01-05-2010, 02:51 PM
I'm reminded of this classic gem

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/VIuR5TNyL8Y&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/VIuR5TNyL8Y&hl=en_US&fs=1&color1=0x006699&color2=0x54abd6" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

ArtardFiesta
01-05-2010, 02:57 PM
Good. It will weed out all of you rubbies who watch events on 17" monitors.

So you always watch the events at a bar or you order them?

You never watch any fights on the internet?

INS_tha_rebel
01-05-2010, 03:00 PM
I never watch UFC on the internet.

___
01-05-2010, 03:01 PM
So you always watch the events at a bar or you order them?

You never watch any fights on the internet?

If I am in town, I get every one at my house.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:16 PM
I'm pretty sure that accessing a stream is not illegal. The people who are putting the fights on the stream would be in trouble.

___
01-05-2010, 03:19 PM
How is DLing a song different than viewing a stream?

Saska
01-05-2010, 03:21 PM
So you always watch the events at a bar or you order them?

You never watch any fights on the internet?

I don't think I've ever watched fights on the internet. I have a large group of friends who are MMA fans so we always order them at one of our houses. I refuse to watch them in a bar with all of the drunk assholes who don't know anything and complain if there isn't a 30 second KO.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:21 PM
How is DLing a song different than viewing a stream?

Because you're actually taking it and putting in on your computer. Viewing a stream is just like looking at a youtube video. You just access an IP through a LEGAL program. It's not your responsibility what is on that IP.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:24 PM
I could be wrong though.

___
01-05-2010, 03:25 PM
Because you're actually taking it and putting in on your computer. Viewing a stream is just like looking at a youtube video. You just access an IP through a LEGAL program. It's not your responsibility what is on that IP.

Yeah, I suppose. I would be curious to see how the law is broken down.

___
01-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Either way, it's the hardcore fans who bitch about fighters pay and then proceed to steal the events. Now the UFC is spending millions on fighting this when that could be in the fighters' pockets.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Either way, it's the hardcore fans who bitch about fighters pay and then proceed to steal the events. Now the UFC is spending millions on fighting this when that could be in the fighters' pockets.

lol, so true.

Bones of Satan
01-05-2010, 03:36 PM
tehy are talking about suing them... so their actions don't necessarily have to be legal or illegal in that regard

___
01-05-2010, 03:38 PM
"When people start going to jail, people will stop doing it," White said.

___
01-05-2010, 03:39 PM
If they tried to sue me if I did it once, I would counter-sue for Sylvia/AA 3.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:55 PM
Yeah, they will not win by suing the users. As I stated before, we do NOT copy their material to our computer and do NOT try and distribute it. We just type in an IP address.

gumby
01-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Yeah, they will not win by suing the users. As I stated before, we do NOT copy their material to our computer and do NOT try and distribute it. We just type in an IP address.

If you do record it though then they could fuck with you.

gumby
01-05-2010, 04:05 PM
Lawrence Epstein, the UFC's general legal counsel, said the company could subpoena websites that carry illegal content for the IP addresses and user information of people who watch and download UFC fights, though he declined to say when that would happen.


Good luck with that, buddy.

babyboneswordsman
01-05-2010, 04:18 PM
im going to rape saf first to prove I'm tough when I'm arrested

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 04:19 PM
I haven't streamed a UFC in quite awhile

Jonny Loco
01-05-2010, 04:24 PM
im going to rape saf first to prove I'm tough when I'm arrested

:damn: that was my plan. I guess we could double penetrate him, that's kinda gay tho.

babyboneswordsman
01-05-2010, 04:28 PM
:damn: that was my plan. I guess we could double penetrate him, that's kinda gay tho.

to answer your question about fwi I do post there

HHJ
01-05-2010, 04:40 PM
i rarely watch streams anyway,buffalo wild wings for the motherfucking win

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 04:53 PM
dana heard hhj bitching about 108 when he streamed it and he's going to make him pay imo

HHJ
01-05-2010, 04:56 PM
i didnt stream it,i watch it at a friends house,and didnt chip in

Mr. Dead Sexy
01-05-2010, 05:17 PM
Movie, music, and TV companies can't stop it, I'm not putting a whole lot of stock in Zuffa doing it.

Buckner1986
01-05-2010, 05:37 PM
UFC 108 was the first one I've ever streamed. This legal action by Zuffa is obviously my fault.

Mr. Dead Sexy
01-05-2010, 05:39 PM
If they ever do start bringing the hamma down, just means I'll have to go to the bar here. They have decent Mexican food and 50 cent draft, so I'd still come out on top.

snipe
01-05-2010, 06:03 PM
i stream every event that i dont go to the bar or over my buddies house for. i also could give two shits about what the fighters make, fuck them. i feel im a great fan and a fan on my own terms. i also am a dana white fan. win win for me

Chad Hogan
01-05-2010, 06:08 PM
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/165/wranimationwg6.gif

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 06:09 PM
I look like I'm having a pretty good time 5 years ago

Mr. Dead Sexy
01-05-2010, 06:10 PM
GIFs that I have to wait 5 minutes for a weak ass punchline for = fail.

snipe
01-05-2010, 06:10 PM
why did you post that britt?

Chad Hogan
01-05-2010, 06:11 PM
I look like I'm having a pretty good time 5 years ago

Really? Bobby southworth is destroying you :roflnut:

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 06:11 PM
that's some ugly joint paper imo

ArtardFiesta
01-05-2010, 06:28 PM
That is one of the worst gifs i have ever seen

Chad Hogan
01-05-2010, 06:29 PM
That is one of the worst gifs i have ever seen

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8536/wrdad.gif

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 06:30 PM
that's a pretty shitty photoshop as well

Chad Hogan
01-05-2010, 06:46 PM
Nah it gets the point across rather well imo

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 06:48 PM
hmm nope

Mr. Dead Sexy
01-05-2010, 06:48 PM
I agree with WR. Very sub par IMO.

WAR RANDLEMAN!
01-05-2010, 06:49 PM
just like britt's entire life

Elk Penis
01-05-2010, 07:10 PM
They wouldn't be able to get individual users ip addresses, except in cases like Justin.TV. A smart streaming website is hosted off country which is untouchable for the USA arm of the law and the UFC.

They would have to get the streaming servers' server logs to get the IP address. If it's hosted oustide of the USA, then they'll never get them - unless they hire some Russian or Chinese hackers to get them, but if they do that it will be inadmissible in court.

Capt Lameius
01-05-2010, 07:15 PM
so , um if someone downloads a bunch of torrents from mma-tracker.net they are cool right?

Elk Penis
01-05-2010, 07:16 PM
so , um if someone downloads a bunch of torrents from mma-tracker.net they are cool right?

As long as you're using Peer Guardian, you should be fine.

Capt Lameius
01-05-2010, 07:34 PM
my, uh, friend doesnt know what peer guardian is.

Holic
01-05-2010, 07:35 PM
i didnt stream it,i watch it at a friends house,and didnt chip in

perhaps you notice i only invite you over for the free ones now

TONY BONES
01-05-2010, 07:40 PM
"Cant stop the internet." -Joe Rogan

dr drake ramoray
01-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Did Burt think he was being funny in here?

Capt Lameius
01-05-2010, 07:41 PM
lol at burt thinking.

Elk Penis
01-06-2010, 09:19 PM
my, uh, friend doesnt know what peer guardian is.

http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

You should always be running this when doing any type of p2p sharing like torrents, limewire, ect.

TONY BONES
01-08-2010, 05:29 PM
RIP justins tv's mma section

tatz21
01-08-2010, 07:47 PM
Seriously I cant believe any sucka pays for that shit? How much is a PPV? How often are the cards PPV? I cant remember the last card I watched and actually really enjoyed. Bullshit decisions, lay n pray and wrestlers doing nothing but take their opponent down try to fuck them in the ass then let them up just to take them down again.

To be fair if they think the 140 k viewers are suddenly going to start paying for fights they must be fucking deluded. I doubt they could convert 1% of them people but in the process they will alienate mma fans. No one gives a shit about millionaires losing 'potential' earnings. No wonder people hate that fat fuck Dana White.

Jonny Loco
01-08-2010, 07:51 PM
Seriously I cant believe any sucka pays for that shit? How much is a PPV? How often are the cards PPV? I cant remember the last card I watched and actually really enjoyed. Bullshit decisions, lay n pray and wrestlers doing nothing but take their opponent down try to fuck them in the ass then let them up just to take them down again.

To be fair if they think the 140 k viewers are suddenly going to start paying for fights they must be fucking deluded. I doubt they could convert 1% of them people but in the process they will alienate mma fans. No one gives a shit about millionaires losing 'potential' earnings. No wonder people hate that fat fuck Dana White.

+1

In saying that you probably sided with napster over ****llica :um:

Andy Wang
01-08-2010, 10:55 PM
Good, give em hell Dana LOL

___
01-09-2010, 12:31 AM
I doubt they could convert 1% of them

Please. Fans will find a way to watch. If there were no other ways to watch it, half, or at least a third, of those people are paying

Chad Hogan
01-09-2010, 12:35 AM
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3985/mom2l.jpg

HOODS
01-09-2010, 02:54 AM
Please. Fans will find a way to watch. If there were no other ways to watch it, half, or at least a third, of those people are paying

good luck with that.

eyecon221
01-09-2010, 02:59 AM
Please. Fans will find a way to watch. If there were no other ways to watch it, half, or at least a third, of those people are paying
yes because if they had the money to pay for it in the first place instead of watching a stream on a computer screen. most people would settle for a play by play and videos up the next day on various sites if they shutdown the streams. i know i will

Maxwell
01-09-2010, 04:27 AM
The music and movie industries both failed to accomplish what the UFC thinks it can do. The arrogance never stops. No one you know will get in any trouble. Except solid, because I emailed his IP to dana's secretary.

Scorpipede
01-09-2010, 02:16 PM
This is awesome. I can't wait to hear the whining after the streams are kaput. Shell out some loot bitches...time to get jobs.

___
01-09-2010, 03:15 PM
yes because if they had the money to pay for it in the first place instead of watching a stream on a computer screen. most people would settle for a play by play and videos up the next day on various sites if they shutdown the streams. i know i will

There's a big difference between having the money and wanting to spend it. If you're an MMA fan and are content with reading a play by play on a regular basis, I don't know what to say.

ArtardFiesta
01-09-2010, 03:22 PM
This is awesome. I can't wait to hear the whining after the streams are kaput. Shell out some loot bitches...time to get jobs.

The only ones i can see being taken down are streams that are on sites like JTV.

Buckner1986
01-09-2010, 03:23 PM
There's a big difference between having the money and wanting to spend it. If you're an MMA fan and are content with reading a play by play on a regular basis, I don't know what to say.

I had to read a pbp once during a PPV (Evans/Bisping) because I was in Kansas and couldn't find anyone to get it. Terrible PPV, but even worse clicking refresh every 10 seconds waiting for the pbp.

Scorpipede
01-09-2010, 03:23 PM
If anyone finds a good play by play I'd be interested. Not as a substitute for the event, I just haven't found one.

Buckner1986
01-09-2010, 03:24 PM
The only ones i can see being taken down are streams that are on sites like JTV.

Yeah. They can't defeat the internet. Dana White should have just asked Joe Rogan.

Scorpipede
01-09-2010, 03:24 PM
The only ones i can see being taken down are streams that are on sites like JTV.

Yeah, it's a valiant idea but in the end it will fail. Then laxity will prevail again.