TCM Boxing Talk

[AMERICAN BONES]

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[PJ III]

floyd is ducking a rematch with the big show

[PJ III]

where u watching the fight AB?

[shadyasfok]

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[AMERICAN BONES]

where u watching the fight AB?

having some people over at my new place, me and a buddy just moved into a house a few weeks ago, got a good sized basement perfect for having people over for games and fights and shit

[shadyasfok]

having some people over at my new place, me and a buddy just moved into a house a few weeks ago, got a good sized basement perfect for having people over for games and fights and shit

WOA WOA WOA

did domestic partnerships get legalized in chicago as well?

ZING!!

[AMERICAN BONES]

love is love solid

[shadyasfok]

:roflnut:

[INS_tha_rebel]

I don't think Ortiz will look good at any stage of the fight. He might nick a round here and there, otherwise I see a shut out for Mayweather.

He'll make this look easy.

qft

Mayweather was 4-0 up on the scorecards when he ko'd Ortiz for being cheeky.

[PJ III]

protect yourself at all times blah blah blah....whatever that shit was cheap as hell, mayweather is a classless piece of shit. the end.

[INS_tha_rebel]

What about Ortiz?

[PJ III]

yeah that headbutt was cheap, but it did no damage and he got a point taken off, mayweather landed two hard shots while that dumbass ref had his back turned and the fight hadnt even been restarted.

[mr_yamamoto]

he was just keepin' it real

[PJ III]

i would totally say something about how little you know about boxing yams, but I already said "the end " in an earlier post.

[INS_tha_rebel]

yeah that headbutt was cheap, but it did no damage and he got a point taken off, mayweather landed two hard shots while that dumbass ref had his back turned and the fight hadnt even been restarted.

That's not really Mayweather's problem though.

[shadyasfok]

I thought the fight has indeed been restarted

[Bones of Satan]

lol rematch?

[INS_tha_rebel]

Who wants to see this mismatch again? Not me.

[shadyasfok]

+1

[shadyasfok]

its the same shit as ppl calling for an anderson cote rematch at the time, whats the fucking point

[AMERICAN BONES]

fight was restarted and time was called back in, that headbutt was fucking blatent and he paid for it. how many times you gonna apologize, its a god damn fight. i didnt like how it ended, but it was gonna end with ortiz on the floor one way or another

[AMERICAN BONES]

Paulie Malignaggi
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Ortiz was KO'd bcuz HE made huge mistake that @FloydMayweather capitalized on. #EndOfStory #DoneTalking

Lennox Lewis
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When the ref says fight. It doesn't matter if he looks away. The fighters were instructed to fight not hug.

Andre Dirrel
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Anthonydirrell it's not ok for a champion to do something like that if @FloydMayweather would have did That it would have been all bad but since Vic did

Antonio Tarver
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Protect yourself at all times, it's the first rule of boxing.

AndreBerto
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2 B honest the butt was wrong and the last right hand punch that Floyd threw was alittle much... But u have to protect yourself at all times

Nonito Donaire
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It can be classless, it can be unsportmanike, even opportunistic, but unforunately, its still legal. Would I pull a mayweather? No. But would I pull an Ortiz and be THAT close to a fighter even IF he was saying sorry? No. Id keep arms length away.

OmarHenry
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By the way the ending wasnt dirty protect yourself at all times Victor was looking for an excuse out and he found it. STOP HATING!

Audley Harrison
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That was warming into a great fight. Shame, but Victor was naive to drop his hands like that, protect yourself at all times is the rules.


Anthonydirrell
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Did what he had to do it protect yourself at all time

BrianViloria
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Once the referee says fight...put yo damn guard up!

Rashad Holloway
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Protect yourself at all times. But damn, is there any class in boxing anymore?

Peter Quillin
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Protect urself at all times 2nd rule in boxing. 1st rule is. Keep ur hands up!

Ishe Smith
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Protect urself at all times, why are u going to hug the guy, this is the fight business

Pawel Wolak
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I probably would have hit with the left hook but not with the follow right. Got 2 keep protected at all times but try 2 keep sportsmanship.

Eddie Chambers
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Victor Ortiz should of never dropped his guard... & always know u are never friend while u in that ring!!

Steve Cunningham
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y'all call us warriors gladiators right, I agree with wut Floyd did its fight time not time to hug kiss and apologize

[PJ III]

i dont think it was gonna end in a KO, im over it though. Ortiz is dumb, and mayweather is cheap. Please no rematch. End of story.

[super hot]

who gives a shit about these bums

[Bones of Satan]

there will be a rematch. pbf can't retire on this fight until he runs out of money. it tarnishes his legacy. he either has to fight manny or rematch this bum and get a clean knockout. having this linger over his legacy is a good excuse for him to duck manny another year

[super hot]

pbf probably had to pay the irs his entire check for back taxes.

[AMERICAN BONES]

i dont think it was gonna end in a KO, im over it though. Ortiz is dumb, and mayweather is cheap. Please no rematch. End of story.

QFT

[AMERICAN BONES]

there will be a rematch. pbf can't retire on this fight until he runs out of money. it tarnishes his legacy. he either has to fight manny or rematch this bum and get a clean knockout. having this linger over his legacy is a good excuse for him to duck manny another year

there will not be a rematch, no way, floyd has already stated hes not finished putting the final touchs on his legacy, hes not retiring

[super hot]

it's not like he can retire if he wanted to. he still has tons of outstanding liens on his property from back taxes that haven't been paid.

[PJ III]

i dno de la hoya is pushing for a rematch, and mayweather has been working with goldenboy for awhile now. Maybe they'll go with khan instead, who knows.

[Bones of Satan]

there will not be a rematch, no way, floyd has already stated hes not finished putting the final touchs on his legacy, hes not retiring

who does he fight next? people only care to see him against manny, not b level fighters

[AMERICAN BONES]

if not manny it will prolly be khan, id LOVE to see him fight sergio martinez, thats the toughest fight out there for him, but martinez is huuuuge

[AMERICAN BONES]

most likely is khan in the UK, hes always made a point of saying he wanted to fight over there

[super hot]

martinez would shit all over him

[AMERICAN BONES]

mante the broken record, *insert possible opponent here* would destroy him

[HendoStu]

Mante picks the Mexican, shocking.

[AMERICAN BONES]

martinez is from argentina

[HendoStu]

martinez is from argentina

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[HendoStu]

Although you Americans may refuse to accept your own recent absorption so I'll forgive you for considering the Mexican border to start in Texas.

[super hot]

mante the broken record, *insert possible opponent here* would destroy him

in all honesty he would. of course i'm always going to pick who ever mayweather is fighting but martinez is on another level when compared to all the other fighters that mayweather has fought.

[Bones of Satan]

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lol mexico south

[Bones of Satan]

fucking khan sucks

[super hot]

khan is a can and no one would pay to see that fight in the US

[AMERICAN BONES]

mayweather KOs khan easily, the only legit threats are manny and sergio

[Bones of Satan]

and pbf is ducking them both

[AMERICAN BONES]

no

[Bones of Satan]

why wo't he fight them then

he could beat amir khan blindfolded

[AMERICAN BONES]

martinez is a middle weight, floyd weighs 150 on fight night, id love to see that fight but martinez isnt a draw and despite being one of the best fighters in the world doesnt have a fan base

pacquiao just needs to take the test

[Bones of Satan]

sounds like a bunch of excuses to me - duckign imo

[INS_tha_rebel]

mayweather KOs khan easily, the only legit threats are manny and sergio

Mayweather would smoke Khan. Khan has a better shot at an upset than Ortiz though.

[INS_tha_rebel]

in all honesty he would. of course i'm always going to pick who ever mayweather is fighting but martinez is on another level when compared to all the other fighters that mayweather has fought.

:roflnut:

[AMERICAN BONES]

Mayweather would smoke Khan. Khan has a better shot at an upset than Ortiz though.

i would pick ortiz over khan

[AMERICAN BONES]

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[PJ III]

larry merchant 50 years ago would destroy floyd, so would tyson in his prime, face it AB floyd will never be considered among the greatest

[shadyasfok]

in all honesty he would. of course i'm always going to pick who ever mayweather is fighting but martinez is on another level when compared to all the other fighters that mayweather has fought.

:roflnut:

[super hot]

why do you laugh solid? you do the same to fedor

[dr drake ramoray]

Mayweather is too afraid to ever fight the pacman

[shadyasfok]

why do you laugh solid? you do the same to fedor

uhh..i picked him to beat both werdum and bigfoot

[AMERICAN BONES]

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[WAR SYNTHOL]

that was an awesome fight

[shadyasfok]

so when is pacquiao marquez

[super hot]

saturday

[shadyasfok]

pacman by murder?

[super hot]

did you watch the first two?

[super hot]

marquez by murder

[shadyasfok]

bet?

[AMERICAN BONES]

its gonna be a good fight, pacquiao takes it though but it will be close

[super hot]

no

[INS_tha_rebel]

Pacquiao will trounce Marquez this time, imo.

[super hot]

just like cardiff has been doing all year to their opponents right?

[INS_tha_rebel]

Cardiff are doing well again lately. 4th in the table now, bud.

[super hot]

still suck

[super hot]

they're not making the preimier league with a fourth place finish.

[dr drake ramoray]

Pacman is gonna send this lata back across the border

[INS_tha_rebel]

they're not making the preimier league with a fourth place finish.

Finish first or second and you go straight into the Premier League. Teams that finish third to sixth go into the play-offs. We've made the play-offs two years in a row now. Last season we went out in the semis, and the season before we got to the final. This season we'll go up. Year is year.

[shadyasfok]

pac attack

[super hot]

Marquez was robbed twice. he will win convincingly this time.

[shadyasfok]

then why not take the bet

[super hot]

fuck you

[babyboneswordsman]

kinda ironic frazier made fun of ali all these years for being sick and he dies first

[babyboneswordsman]

karma is a bitch

[shadyasfok]

Ali with full blown Parkinson's still gets the last laugh

[HendoStu]

Fuck off solid

[shadyasfok]

You're one of those ppl who say ali isn't the greatest boxer of all time aren't you

[HendoStu]

You're one of those ppl who say ali isn't the greatest boxer of all time aren't you

He quite possibly is the GOAT, still a scumbag though.

[HendoStu]

And you don't know shit about shit which is why I said fuck off

[shadyasfok]

He quite possibly is the GOAT, still a scumbag though.

:lmao:

[AMERICAN BONES]

ali was a prick, but he was a funny, witty prick

[super hot]

Ali with full blown Parkinson's still gets the last laugh

he probably doesn't even remember who Frazier is.

[Bones of Satan]

i am more interested in this fight then pacman fight

[INS_tha_rebel]

You're one of those ppl who say ali isn't the greatest boxer of all time aren't you

Lennox Lewis is the greatest HW of all time and that's all that matters.

[super hot]

lol, idiot

:retard:

[INS_tha_rebel]

Watch your fucking lip, bud.

[super hot]

cardiff cans

[stulecanem]

Lennox Lewis is the greatest HW of all time and that's all that matters.

:ugh:

[INS_tha_rebel]

I don't care which fighter you slate on here just leave Lennox out of it (also, don't talk shit about Cardiff City F.C.).

Greatly appreciated, mate.

[super hot]

Cardiff will never make the premier league.

[INS_tha_rebel]

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[super hot]

isn't Lennox Canadian?

[stulecanem]

Lewis beat cans in an age of cans.

[stulecanem]

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[super hot]

lol, that's the greatest right there.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Why? Because he has two defeats on his record that he would go on to avenge?

[INS_tha_rebel]

isn't Lennox Canadian?

Lewis beat cans in an age of cans.

What the fuck do you pair of pricks know?

[super hot]

can crusher

[stulecanem]

Lewis was a very good heavyweight but he fought in an age when he was pretty much the only good heavyweight. A past his prime holyfield and a washed up convicted rapist don't count.

I think Lewis would have measured up well against some of the all time best but we'll never know because he was champ in the Age of Cans.

[INS_tha_rebel]

He was born in West Ham, London. He is the last undisputed HW champ and avenged his only losses.

[stulecanem]

Avenging your only losses when they were to cans doesnt count for much.

[super hot]

and retired before giving Klistcho a rematch.

[stulecanem]

and last time I watched him fight he was getting outboxed by Klitchko (who is a horrid can) before the fight was stopped on a cut.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Lewis was a very good heavyweight but he fought in an age when he was pretty much the only good heavyweight. A past his prime holyfield and a washed up convicted rapist don't count.

I think Lewis would have measured up well against some of the all time best but we'll never know because he was champ in the Age of Cans.

Ruddock, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Vitali Klitschko, Mercer, Briggs, Bruno, Morrison, Golota, Mercer, etc.

Hardly an age of cans. Anyway, do you really think every opponent Ali or Tyson beat were at their peak? This charge can be levelled at anyone.

[super hot]

Foreman could come out of retirement and pound Lewis right now.

[stulecanem]

Ruddock, Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Vitali Klitschko, Mercer, Briggs, Bruno, Morrison, Golota, Mercer, etc.

Hardly an age of cans. Anyway, do you really think every opponent Ali or Tyson beat were at their peak? This charge can be levelled at anyone.

Ruddock - can,
Bowe - can,
Holyfield - washed up cruiserweight,
Tyson - washed up, neverwas rapist,
Vitali Klitschko - holy shit how is this guy a boxer,
Mercer - fucking can,
Briggs - who,
Bruno - :roflnut:,
Morrison - holy fuck you were reaching for shit to include this can,
Golota - nut punch,
Mercer - twice included can,
etc.

[INS_tha_rebel]

and last time I watched him fight he was getting outboxed by Klitchko (who is a horrid can) before the fight was stopped on a cut.

I'm not sure why this is used against him. He had a new opponent at short notice, got himself into a war with the guy who'd go on to be arguably the best HW of his era and won legitimately by opening up his face with punches.

It's not like Lennox's glove nicked Vitali's face and the fight was stopped on a bullshit cut. He opened up a gash with a genuine punch. Also, he was only down 4 rounds to 2 and was clearly getting the upper-hand when the fight was stopped.

Compare that to Ali or Tyson or whoever when they were at the end of their careers...

[INS_tha_rebel]

Mike Tyson was stopped by Kevin McBride in his last fight, talk about a horrid can...

Ali lost to Trevor Berbick who isn't as good as Vitali.

Lennox stopped Vitali and went out on top.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Ruddock - can,
Bowe - can,
Holyfield - washed up cruiserweight,
Tyson - washed up, neverwas rapist,
Vitali Klitschko - holy shit how is this guy a boxer,
Mercer - fucking can,
Briggs - who,
Bruno - :roflnut:,
Morrison - holy fuck you were reaching for shit to include this can,
Golota - nut punch,
Mercer - twice included can,
etc.

Ok, name who you think is the greatest HW.

[stulecanem]

I'm not sure why this is used against him. He had a new opponent at short notice, got himself into a war with the guy who'd go on to be arguably the best HW of his era and won legitimately by opening up his face with punches.

It's not like Lennox's glove nicked Vitali's face and the fight was stopped on a bullshit cut. He opened up a gash with a genuine punch. Also, he was only down 4 rounds to 2 and was clearly getting the upper-hand when the fight was stopped.

Compare that to Ali or Tyson or whoever when they were at the end of their careers...

I'm not saying he was a bad fighter, he was clearly the best of his era, by a wide margin imo. He's just not the GOAT.

Tyson fucking sucks btw. That guy never had any heart and the moment he got tested he crumbled and was never good again.

Plus he rapes women.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Foreman could come out of retirement and pound Lewis right now.

Foreman says Lennox is the greatest for a reason. He knows the score.

[super hot]

HW boxing blows. Stop arguing about it.

[INS_tha_rebel]

I'm not saying he was a bad fighter, he was clearly the best of his era, by a wide margin imo. He's just not the GOAT.

Tyson fucking sucks btw. That guy never had any heart and the moment he got tested he crumbled and was never good again.

Plus he rapes women.

So who is the GOAT then? Name him.

[INS_tha_rebel]

and retired before giving Klistcho a rematch.

Why is Lennox obliged to give anyone a rematch?

The guy was clearly past his best (but he still won).

[INS_tha_rebel]

So you're not gonna name who you think the best is?

[stulecanem]

Ok, name who you think is the greatest HW.

Very clearly Ali for both what he did in the ring and out of it.

In the ring he fought in an era with several legitimate champions at the peak of their careers.

Joe Frazier - one of the GOATS
George Foreman - one of the GOATS and as feared in his time as any man to ever step in the ring. What Ali did in Zaire may never be repeated (part of which was to promote it to mythical proportions)
Ken Norton - Not necessarily a champ in his era, but could have been champ in pretty much any era since.

The 3 of those guys would have run amok in Lewis' era. Ali beat Frazier twice, beat Norton twice and knocked foreman from his perch and also beat Sonny Liston who was as feared as Tyson in his prime.

On top of that he's largely the catalyst for increased sports salaries and changing the entire dynamic of sports player to sports entertainer.

Clearly the GOAT and I could go on and on.

Oh and he was also a completely new style of heavyweight, light on his feet, tremendous cardio, lightning fast punches.

How many fights did he pick the round he'd finish his opponent?

He just did so many great things we are unlikely to ever see again.

[INS_tha_rebel]

I don't rate a guy for what he did out of the ring. I don't see what that has to do with anything.

[INS_tha_rebel]

And lol @ Joe Frazier one of the GOATs. That's sugarcoating over the facts though. After all, Mike Tyson and Holyfield are two of the GOATs as well.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Lennox Lewis has the style to absolutely murder Joe Frazier. Make no mistake about it. He would run through him like Foreman did.

[INS_tha_rebel]

On top of that he's largely the catalyst for increased sports salaries and changing the entire dynamic of sports player to sports entertainer.

What the fuck? If we're rating guys now for this sort of nonsense then Tyson>Ali.

[stulecanem]

From a pure boxing standpoint he was also simply a better boxer. Faster, quicker, more accurate, more nimble and just all around slick.

Early in his career he was damn near unhittable. He was like a bigger, more powerful version of Roy Jones (before Roy got all washed up).

[stulecanem]

What the fuck? If we're rating guys now for this sort of nonsense then Tyson>Ali.

You can stop on the line before that. He fought in an era where 3 of the best ever were in their prime.

With the exception of Holyfield there's not one person on your list who would get mentioned in the lists of best ever. Any holyfield was a pumped up light heavyweight who packed on extra muscle to move up and fight since there was no money at LHW.

[INS_tha_rebel]

You can stop on the line before that. He fought in an era where 3 of the best ever were in their prime.

With the exception of Holyfield there's not one person on your list who would get mentioned in the lists of best ever. Any holyfield was a pumped up light heavyweight who packed on extra muscle to move up and fight since there was no money at LHW.

Tyson is frequently mentioned on best ever lists.

Holyfield may have been a pumped up Cruiser, but Ali was a pumped up LHW.

Lennox was fucking huge and has at least a 4 inch reach advantage over Ali and about 30 pounds if not more.

[INS_tha_rebel]

From a pure boxing standpoint he was also simply a better boxer. Faster, quicker, more accurate, more nimble and just all around slick.

Early in his career he was damn near unhittable. He was like a bigger, more powerful version of Roy Jones (before Roy got all washed up).

He wasn't unhittable, not even in the 60s. The likes of Cooper and Banks stuck Ali on his arse and they are generally smaller than the likes of Holyfield.

[dr drake ramoray]

Lennox Lewis is the greatest HW of all time and that's all that matters.

o_o

[stulecanem]

He wasn't unhittable, not even in the 60s. The likes of Cooper and Banks stuck Ali on his arse and they are generally smaller than the likes of Holyfield.

*caught him

The rest of the fight he picked them apart. He got caught several times throughout his career but before he had a 5 year break he was close to unhittable.

[INS_tha_rebel]

*caught him

The rest of the fight he picked them apart. He got caught several times throughout his career but before he had a 5 year break he was close to unhittable.

You're just spouting bullshit now. He was out for three years, not five and he was stuck on his arse by Banks and Cooper before his wee 'break'.

[dr drake ramoray]

It's shocking to me that there are actually people who don't consider Ali the GOAT

[stulecanem]

You're just spouting bullshit now. He was out for three years, not five and he was stuck on his arse by Banks and Cooper before his wee 'break'.

Sorry it was supposed to be 5 years.

And no Im not spouting BS. He was caught by them before the break and he literally picked them to pieces the entire rest of those fights.

[super hot]

I never saw ali fight so I don't care who's the best. it's not lennox though.

[dr drake ramoray]

My mate INS is being a contrarian bag of shite IMO!

[super hot]

JCC > Lewis

[INS_tha_rebel]

Also, he got a very lucky decision against Doug Jones and Billy Daniels managed to land on him often enough in his fight with Ali.

[INS_tha_rebel]

I never saw ali fight so I don't care who's the best. it's not lennox though.

Exactly. You don't know what you're talking about but you're in here to disagree just for the sake of it.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Sorry it was supposed to be 5 years.

And no Im not spouting BS. He was caught by them before the break and he literally picked them to pieces the entire rest of those fights.

What do you mean before the break? Are you saying Ali wasn't knocked down legitimately by those guys? :roflnut:

You come across as one of these guys who think Ali could do no wrong. And you talk about what he did outside of the ring contributing to his overall greatness without pointing out the fact that Ali was quite the scumbag.

[super hot]

ali was a draft dodger. I'm surprised stool is sucking his cock so much.

[stulecanem]

What do you mean before the break? Are you saying Ali wasn't knocked down legitimately by those guys? :roflnut:

You come across as one of these guys who think Ali could do no wrong. And you talk about what he did outside of the ring contributing to his overall greatness without pointing out the fact that Ali was quite the scumbag.

No, they legit knocked him down. But it was a one-shot in a fight they were otherwise dominated in bell to bell.

He did plenty of things I don't agree with as a person. He was a retard joining the nation of islam which was a made up religion that had virtually nothing to do with actual islam (which sucks bad enough on its own).

I don't like that he dodged the draft or many of the other things he did on a personal level.

[dr drake ramoray]

AINT NO VIET CONG EVER CALL HIM NIGGA

[dr drake ramoray]

How many other top level pro athletes were drafted for Vietnam?

[INS_tha_rebel]

I don't give a fuck about that. He treated other fighters like they were dog shit.

[super hot]

How many other top level pro athletes were drafted for Vietnam?

Pro Athletes used to volunteer back then. Ted Williams, Dimmagio etc.

[stulecanem]

There are a ton of top level actors and athletes who served in other wars but not much for Viet Nam.

[dr drake ramoray]

Pro Athletes used to volunteer back then. Ted Williams, Dimmagio etc.

You're thinking of WWII

[dr drake ramoray]

Or WW11 as Burt puts it

[INS_tha_rebel]

Especially Joe Frazier.

[INS_tha_rebel]

Or WW11 as Burt puts it

:pomlnut::pomlnut::pomlnut:

[INS_tha_rebel]

"He would fuck a snake if you hold it's head. You don't even have to hold the motherfucker's head. Just give him the snake." - Larry Holmes on Ali.

[stulecanem]

"He would fuck a snake if you hold it's head. You don't even have to hold the motherfucker's head. Just give him the snake." - Larry Holmes on Ali.

lol 1 google result for that quote and it's from Sherdog. Check your sources.

[INS_tha_rebel]

lol 1 google result for that quote and it's from Sherdog. Check your sources.

Huh?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj90dk_facing-ali-part-1-of-2_sport

[stulecanem]

Huh?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xj90dk_facing-ali-part-1-of-2_sport

where is it in the video? Ill watch the whole thing later but I dont have time right now.

[HendoStu]

How many other top level pro athletes were drafted for Vietnam?

Of those who served in Vietnam, Rocky Bleier, the storied running back who helped the Pittsburgh Steelers win four Super Bowls, is perhaps the most prominent. Picked by the Steelers late in the 1968 draft after a sterling collegiate career at Notre Dame, he was drafted again, this time for service in the Army as an infantryman. He suffered crippling wounds in both legs when hit by enemy rifle fire and shrapnel. He could barely walk let alone run. Yet with grit and determination, he beat the odds after two agonizing years recovering from his wounds. Rocky Bleier went on to a stellar 12-year career in the NFL. He became the &ldquo;go-to&rdquo; guy for the Steelers, a thousand-yard rusher, and a key contributor to four Super Bowl championships.

[dr drake ramoray]

Ok so the most prominent one was a guy who hadn't yet played a down in the NFL. Thanks for proving my point.

[HendoStu]

Staubach was a Heisman winner before going to war. Not drafted but served. Neither was on Ali's level of prominence but athletes serving or being drafted to war was not unheard of on that day and age

[stulecanem]

Staubach was a Heisman winner before going to war. Not drafted but served. Neither was on Ali's level of prominence but athletes serving or being drafted to war was not unheard of on that day and age

It was uncommon enough that 10 minutes scouring google netted me 2-3 names none of which were particularly high profile.

THe 60's completely changed hollywood/sports from Nationalistic to Liberal pussy.

[HendoStu]

It was uncommon enough that 10 minutes scouring google netted me 2-3 names none of which were particularly high profile.

THe 60's completely changed hollywood/sports from Nationalistic to Liberal pussy.

10 minutes scouring Google? I've been, ya know, working. Apologies for not devoting the entirety of my heart and soul to this idiotic argument

[stulecanem]

10 minutes scouring Google? I've been, ya know, working. Apologies for not devoting the entirety of my heart and soul to this idiotic argument

I meant my 10 minutes.

[HendoStu]

I meant my 10 minutes.

Oh. Well then, carry on. I'm an ass

[HendoStu]

Anyway, I'd rate Ali as the GOAT in terms of accomplishment because IMO wins over Liston, Foreman, Frazier et al are hard to argue against. If you're talking who beats who from different eras the gates are open to all sorts of speculation and I wouldn't feel qualified to comment.

[HendoStu]

He was a fucking scumbag though

[AMERICAN BONES]

INS is off his marbles if he thinks lennox is the goat at anything

[AMERICAN BONES]

top ten HW for sure, NOT #1

[dr drake ramoray]

10 minutes scouring Google? I've been, ya know, working. Apologies for not devoting the entirety of my heart and soul to this idiotic argument

You really don't think the government was after Ali?

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Yu56Qplz438/Tr9Ze1QGweI/AAAAAAAAGLw/KEC8Hg6gxsU/s1600/1.gif

[super hot]

marquez won

[Bones of Satan]

we are going to see pacman duck pbf now

[super hot]

probably

[shadyasfok]

Ruddock - can,
Bowe - can,
Holyfield - washed up cruiserweight,
Tyson - washed up, neverwas rapist,
Vitali Klitschko - holy shit how is this guy a boxer,
Mercer - fucking can,
Briggs - who,
Bruno - :roflnut:,
Morrison - holy fuck you were reaching for shit to include this can,
Golota - nut punch,
Mercer - twice included can,
etc.
isnt vitali klitschko like one of the top boxers right now at HW

[shadyasfok]

I don't give a fuck about that. He treated other fighters like they were dog shit.

thats part of the game imo

[INS_tha_rebel]

It went a lot further than just smack talk. It's part of the game now, but back then Frazier's kids were getting hidings at school because of what Ali was saying.

[shadyasfok]

lol

[INS_tha_rebel]

Don't laugh you animal.

[shadyasfok]

when did ins become so soft

[shadyasfok]

frank mir is the biggest scumbag of all then

[INS_tha_rebel]

What do you mean?

[shadyasfok]

you know exactly what i mean

[super hot]

marquez was robbed.

[shadyasfok]

okaaay

[super hot]

how can you base your opinion from reading play by plays? until you've seen the entire fight shut the fuck up

[super hot]

floyd's take on the fight

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11193.html

he even knows that marquez would never win a decision against pacman

[WAR SYNTHOL]

www.fightmetric.com

[HendoStu]

It went a lot further than just smack talk. It's part of the game now, but back then Frazier's kids were getting hidings at school because of what Ali was saying.

After Frazier petitioned for him to get his license back too. Absolute dirtbag.

[shadyasfok]

Made for some great soundbites tho

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7235880/floyd-mayweather-jr-aide-says-manny-pacquiao-camp-even-talk-fight

The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.

Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisors, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.

"We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.

Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.

That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."

However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.

Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.

"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."

Schaefer said the plan was to use Weinstein to help them make the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight because he is trusted by both sides and intimately familiar with the problems between the rival promotional companies.

"Judge Weinstein is respected by both parties and mediated issues between Top Rank and Golden Boy before, so the plan was to see if he could help facilitate such a fight. Floyd's team really wanted to get this fight done," Schaefer said. "If you just sit down with Arum, he can at any time have one of his fits, one of his 'f--- you' attacks, and the likelihood that he would have a 'f--- you' attack in front of a retired judge seemed less likely than if Arum and me would be alone in a room."

Arum told ESPN.com that he knew nothing about an email and claimed that nobody from his company had communicated anything about making -- or not making -- a possible Pacquiao-Mayweather fight.

But Arum did say, "We are pursuing a fourth fight with Marquez. As far as doing anything definitively, we aren't ready to do anything definitively. When we are ready to make a determination of what we are going to do, we will do it. We are not going to do this in the press. We will do what is in the best interest of ourselves and our client and make a decision when it's time to. If we decide we want to do a rematch with Marquez, there is no reason to sit down with Mayweather. If we want to explore a Mayweather fight, we will sit down with them. But I'm not going to sit down with them just because it's a good show."

Ellerbe was just as upset as Schaefer was.

"In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao," Ellerbe told ESPN.com. "Now we all know the truth once and for all why this fight hasn't been made. It should be clear to everyone that they don't care what the fans want, especially when Floyd is ready, willing and able to fight Manny Pacquiao now. Floyd said if this isn't clear, he doesn't know what is.

"All along we know why the fight isn't being made. This is the perfect opportunity. Both guys just fought. This is the fight the fans want to see, and it's a disgrace that they are not willing to give the fans what they want. In my opinion, there are three reasons why Arum doesn't want the fight. He knows there is no way that Manny Pacquiao can win, it kills his cash cow, and he wants to do in-house fights where he controls both sides. I said all along why this fight hasn't been made to this point. Manny Pacquiao knows, Bob Arum knows and Freddie Roach knows."

Ellerbe said he and Schaefer would begin exploring potential May 5 opponents for Mayweather.

"We have a number of options, and we will evaluate that and give the fans the biggest fight we can give them," he said. "But before we can get started (on a Pacquiao fight), Top Rank doesn't even want to listen. They're not even interested in Floyd Mayweather. They want no part of Floyd Mayweather. They have no interest in the little fella fighting Floyd. Manny Pacquiao needs to stand up, in my opinion, and tell his promoter that he wants to fight Floyd Mayweather next and stop hiding behind his promoter."

Ellerbe said Mayweather (42-0, 26 KOs) did not watch as Pacquiao (54-3-2, 38 KOs) turned in a shaky performance on Saturday night because he was making a paid appearance at a nightclub in Virginia. Mayweather came out of a 21-month retirement in September 2009 and fought Marquez, dropping him in the second round and winning a near-shutout decision, a far more dominating performance than Pacquiao has had against him in any of their three bouts.

[shadyasfok]

Arum is a faggot

[Bones of Satan]

its going to be like wand chuck. these two will fight when no one gives a shit anymore

[AMERICAN BONES]

:roflnut:
http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/juan-manuel-marquez-naked-530x521.jpg

[shadyasfok]

Lol

[super hot]

Julio Cesar Chavez looked good on Saturday. Roach has helped him out a lot.

[AMERICAN BONES]

martinez wipes the floor with him

i only saw the last round of the fight, weak stoppage

[AMERICAN BONES]

arum wants him to fight de la hoya next, that tells you about how much confidence his handlers have in him against top guys

[super hot]

he's not a top fighter yet. he does get big paydays. I bet he made more money on his last fight than Martinez's last fight.

[AMERICAN BONES]

he's not a top fighter yet. he does get big paydays. I bet he made more money on his last fight than Martinez's last fight.

possibly, martinez cant get any big names to fight him

i would actually love to see a chavez vs de la hoya fight as sick as it is and as big of a freakshow it is, could be fun

[super hot]

de la hoya is a bum

[AMERICAN BONES]

yeah but thatd be awesome to see him and chavez jr go at it, so much shit going on, de la hoya against bob arum, jr trying to avenge his father, de la hoya trying to take out another chavez, SICK

[shadyasfok]

cotto margarito 2, what do you make of this playboys

[AMERICAN BONES]

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[Christina Hendtits]

boxing sucks

[INS_tha_rebel]

It shits all over Muay Thai and kickboxing.

[AMERICAN BONES]

mns really is a moron

[AMERICAN BONES]

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[PA-PA-PA-PIMPOMATIC]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7447532/floyd-mayweather-jr-calls-manny-pacquiao-5-fight

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Bob_Arum_cropped.jpg/220px-Bob_Arum_cropped.jpg