NBA Free Agency

[AMERICAN BONES]

Well the Bulls just traded away Hinrich and now have enough cap room for two max contracts. I think this means that LeBron and Bosh are both most likely headed here. Chicago and Miami are the only two teams with enough space for 2 max contracts, and one in Miami will be Wade, but the Bulls have a MUCH better team and I think it's very likely the top two will head here together to play with Rose, Deng and Noah.

[AMERICAN BONES]

Chicago will soon be the center of the sports universe, if it isnt already

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0513/chi_lebron_bulls_288.jpg

[HendoStu]

Bosh is staying in T.O.

[HendoStu]

:um:

[AMERICAN BONES]

:roflnut:

[Kimo Therabones]

Chicago will soon be the center of the sports universe, if it isnt already

the bears still suck

[AMERICAN BONES]

cutler for mvp

[super hot]

lebron is going to the clippers

[AMERICAN BONES]

im pretty sure he said he wants to win, although that would be crazy with lebron and kobe in the same city

[super hot]

clippers have a good young nucleus. Griffin is going to be the next Karl Malone

[AMERICAN BONES]

what kind of cap space do you guys have?

[CensoredToezFlava]

Maggette is better than any free agent.

[Buckner1986]

Maggette is better than any free agent.

:pomlnut:

[SuperNatural]

what kind of cap space do you guys have?

clippers have good cap space, they can sign a max free agent and maybe a couple of mid priced free agents

[JihadMeAtHello]

YOUNG ERIC GORDON

[JihadMeAtHello]

If you play the Young Eric Gordon drinking game, you're headed to the hospital

[American Born Jr]

i hope the new GM, Gar Whateverthefuckhislastnameis, can do something big...every year for the last decade the bulls make moves and its always disappointing. now they are in position to do some damage and bring in some REAL talent. even if we dont get lebron, who i dont like very much, they could still bring in bosh and maybe joe johnson. i dont want boozer. if we could get wade and somebody, itd be great too....im rather excited to see how things pan out

[American Born Jr]

no high profile free agent is going to the clippers lol


the clippers, where careers disintegrate

[Kimo Therabones]

the bears still suck

update: the cubs suck too, they are now behind the brewers in the standings

[Tupac Shakira]

Well the Bulls just traded away Hinrich and now have enough cap room for two max contracts. I think this means that LeBron and Bosh are both most likely headed here. Chicago and Miami are the only two teams with enough space for 2 max contracts, and one in Miami will be Wade, but the Bulls have a MUCH better team and I think it's very likely the top two will head here together to play with Rose, Deng and Noah.

Dwayne and Lebron on the same team would be pretty tight though you gotta admit.

[SexeCute]

Dwayne and Lebron on the same team would be pretty tight though you gotta admit.

Not really. They would need a good big man.


This is how FA will end up this off-season;

LeBron - Cavs
He has shown up at gay ass parades celebrating him within the past week saying Ohio is his only home. LeBron's "crew" keeps putting out rumors just to give him more power in Cleveland. At this point, the Cavs are close to giving LeBron anything he wants now and forever which is exactly what he wants there. Rings or not, his ego is huge and Cleveland will feed him for the rest of his career more than any other team.

Wade - Heat
He's been trying to represent Miami this entire summer as if people need to join him and Pat Riley. Odds of him leaving are very slim.

Bosh - Heat
Openly talks about being interested in playing with Wade, cut his hair to look like "someone from Miami," and would get a max deal. The only other way he doesn't go to Miami is if Toronto gives him a max deal in a sign-and-trade.

Joe Johnson - Knicks/Bulls
The Knicks will be trying to get anyone they can and will make their way all the way down to Joe Johnson. Joe has a beef with fans in Atlanta and will likely depart from that shithole.

Amare - Knicks/Bulls
Re-unites with D'Antoni and gets a big deal from the Knicks, or goes to a team with an up-and-coming roster where all he will have to do is score and grab a few rebounds.

[SexeCute]

im pretty sure he said he wants to win, although that would be crazy with lebron and kobe in the same city

He could win big with the Clippers I think.

Davis
Gordon
LeBron
Griffin
Kaman

That would be the best lineup LeBron ever had. If LeBron is serious about winning, he goes to the Clippers or Bulls. Never did I think I would say a player needs to go to the Clippers to win...

[Elk Penis]

Lebron would never leave Cleveland.

[SexeCute]

Lebron would never leave Cleveland.

Why would he? He has that city by the balls.

[Elk Penis]

Why would he? He has that city by the balls.


True, but even if he didn't, I still don't think he would leave.

[American Born Jr]

he will never get a ring in Cleveland. and the bulls are his best bet, bc they can also bring in another star to go with the already talented, young core

the bulls could end up with over 40 million to spend depending on the cap

[SexeCute]

he will never get a ring in Cleveland. and the bulls are his best bet, bc they can also bring in another star to go with the already talented, young core

the bulls could end up with over 40 million to spend depending on the cap

I agree that long term the Bulls are his best option. However, I don't buy it that all he wants is rings.

[American Born Jr]

I agree that long term the Bulls are his best option. However, I don't buy it that all he wants is rings.

in the end players want to win and get rich...his best place for that could end up being the bulls. that being said, im not a huge fan of lebron.

[super hot]

Just read a story about how frugal the bulls owner is. If he does sign two max free agents will be head towards the luxary tax level once Noah and Rose are ready to sign new deals?

[AMERICAN BONES]

Just read a story about how frugal the bulls owner is. If he does sign two max free agents will be head towards the luxary tax level once Noah and Rose are ready to sign new deals?

the only thing hes frugal with is coaching, other than that he spends money like he doesnt care, the only time he made a move because of the money was when he didnt trade for gasol a few years ago because he didnt think we had a championship team and it wasnt worth the luxary tax. but he shells out the cash, alot of the time stupidly, he gave deng and hinrich more than they were worth, and was willing to give gordon more than he was worth, but pistons were even dumber. he also is not scared to shell out money for the white sox, who are always towards the top of the league in salary, i really dont think hes that frugal, and with their co-tenants the blackhawks winning the cup this year, puts even more pressure on him. i think hes willing as long as the players are willing to come here

[AMERICAN BONES]

btw resident nba retard stephen a smith reported today that bosh and lebron are both headed to miami, basically calling it a done deal

[SuperNatural]

btw resident nba retard stephen a smith reported today that bosh and lebron are both headed to miami, basically calling it a done deal
yeah he said he had 2 sources

[AMERICAN BONES]

he was on a local radio show here earlier, they asked him if he was wrong and lebron came to chicago if he would walk down michigan ave in nothing but a lebron bulls jersey, he declined the offer lol

[American Born Jr]

btw resident nba retard stephen a smith reported today that bosh and lebron are both headed to miami, basically calling it a done deal

i read about that a little while ago. i dont believe anything stephen a smith ever says. the mother fuckers ego is big enough to make me question whether he reported this just for the attention on himself. that being said, id love to see him and skip bayless simultaneously kill each other

[SexeCute]

i read about that a little while ago. i dont believe anything stephen a smith ever says. the mother fuckers ego is big enough to make me question whether he reported this just for the attention on himself. that being said, id love to see him and skip bayless simultaneously kill each other

It's been leaked by more than just Stephen A. Smith, so this isn't really him doing any reporting, just him copying other peoples shit.

[SexeCute]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/133/lbj-free-agency-5-questions-on-bullsknicks-premise

This was posted from ESPN NY, so I don't know what to say about it other than it could be bullshit;

With some viewing the Bulls as the frontrunners to sign LeBron James, multiple league sources tell Chris Sheridan of ESPN that James will have questions about Chicago's roster and future.

"[I]n my conversations over the weekend with several league sources keyed into the maneuverings surrounding the start of free agency July 1," Sheridan writes, "the dialogue consistently circled back to one pertinent point: When LeBron looks at what will surround him on his future team, especially when weighing Chicago vs. New York, he is going to have questions of his own."

Owner Jerry Reinsdorf's track record of being averse to paying the luxury tax and whether he is willing to maintain the large payroll necessary to win multiple championships is the first concern mentioned in Sheridan's story.

The others: The unknown quantity that is new coach Tom Thibodeau, Chicago's present lack of a three-point shooter who can spread the floor around James, whether Derrick Rose can play off the ball, on the wings next to James who often handles and initiates the offense, and the team's relative lack of flexibility to improve next summer compared to the Knicks who are set to have Eddy Curry's $11 million contract come off their books.

Read more: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67514/20100628/sources_lebron_will_have_questions_about_bulls_ros ter_future/##ixzz0sBoXlEF7

[super hot]

the only thing hes frugal with is coaching, other than that he spends money like he doesnt care, the only time he made a move because of the money was when he didnt trade for gasol a few years ago because he didnt think we had a championship team and it wasnt worth the luxary tax. but he shells out the cash, alot of the time stupidly, he gave deng and hinrich more than they were worth, and was willing to give gordon more than he was worth, but pistons were even dumber. he also is not scared to shell out money for the white sox, who are always towards the top of the league in salary, i really dont think hes that frugal, and with their co-tenants the blackhawks winning the cup this year, puts even more pressure on him. i think hes willing as long as the players are willing to come here

Let's not forget that Reinsdorf has a well-earned reputation as being one of the more frugal owners in the league (he broke up a dynasty following the 1998 three-peat because in large part because he did not want to commit long-term dollars to Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen for what would be the downsides of their careers). Noah becomes a restricted free agent in 2011, and Rose in 2012. Is Reinsdorf willing to commit $150 million or more in long-term dollars (plus luxury tax money) to those two players on top of what he'll be paying James and another top-tier free agent? James will have no such qualms when it comes to the wallet-opening tendencies of Jim Dolan, who has shelled out luxury tax payments from Cablevision's deep coffers to pay for horrible teams over the better part of the past decade."

[Elk Penis]

btw resident nba retard stephen a smith reported today that bosh and lebron are both headed to miami, basically calling it a done deal

That would be fucking sweet if true. I'd actually start going to Heat games.

[pflo]

It's been leaked by more than just Stephen A. Smith, so this isn't really him doing any reporting, just him copying other peoples shit.

Yeah but when Steven A Smith reports something, it usually turns out to be untrue. He is the worst NBA has to offer. Anything wise. Even if it was substantial, the fact that he reported it killed it, he sucks so bad.

[pflo]

Lebron would never leave Cleveland.

This ^^

This is teh best bet

[AMERICAN BONES]

Let's not forget that Reinsdorf has a well-earned reputation as being one of the more frugal owners in the league (he broke up a dynasty following the 1998 three-peat because in large part because he did not want to commit long-term dollars to Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen for what would be the downsides of their careers). Noah becomes a restricted free agent in 2011, and Rose in 2012. Is Reinsdorf willing to commit $150 million or more in long-term dollars (plus luxury tax money) to those two players on top of what he'll be paying James and another top-tier free agent? James will have no such qualms when it comes to the wallet-opening tendencies of Jim Dolan, who has shelled out luxury tax payments from Cablevision's deep coffers to pay for horrible teams over the better part of the past decade."

dude thats such crap about reinsdorf

Jerry Reinsdorf did not break up Michael Jordan's Chicago Bulls basketball dynasty. Neither did Jerry Krause, who infamously said that "organizations (not players) win championships."

Let's get this out of the way before proceeding to explain how one of the greatest teams in pro sports could turn into one of the worst.

As for Krause's jibber-jabber ... well, I was there.

In case anyone has forgotten, Krause, the man Michael Jordan labeled "Crumbs" for the donut droppings on his clothes, was not particularly articulate. So when on that last opening day of training camp for the Bulls' title run he was trying to draw credit to the so-called little people of the sport, Krause made the statement that launched a thousand critiques.

It's no secret Krause resented Jordan and Phil Jackson. But he resented me as well, and just about everyone else around basketball.

I remember one time the great modern era storyteller David Halberstam coming on the team bus to interview Jordan for a profile. Krause cursed out Halberstam, not knowing who he was, in ordering him off the bus.

So, yes, it all drove Jackson and Jordan to distraction. And if you want to believe that's what broke up the dynasty, OK. But who, after all, quits his job and profession because he doesn't like the assistant boss?

Remember, Jordan's agreements with the organization all were done with Reinsdorf -- who, by the way, had the biggest payroll in the NBA during the last two championship seasons and paid Jordan an annual salary for two consecutive seasons that is yet to be matched in pro sports.

So you want the real story?

Here's what happened: Jordan burned out.

Perhaps he may not remember it that way, but both after that posed winning shot against the Utah Jazz in 1998 -- and there was a reason for that pose -- Jordan was telling confidants he would never play again.

Yes, it's why he did pose. He knew that was the last shot, and that's the way people talked about it then.

He couldn't stand playing with Scottie Pippen anymore. He was furious at Pippen for again missing a final game of the playoffs, as with the migrane episode of 1990. He was sick of all the injuries, still upset Pippen elected to have surgery just as training camp was to begin and wouldn't rejoin the team until midseason, sticking Jordan with Dennis Rodman. He was sick of Luc Longley and all the dropped passes.

He was also sick of babying Rodman. Jordan ran into Rodman recently and they talked at length. Later, Jordan confided to a friend he was amazed you could talk to Rodman. Back then, Jordan never did. I remember him saying when he had to talk to Rodman he'd grab him by the temples, plead for Rodman to look him in the eye and then tell Rodman what to do. Jordan said it was how he talked to his eight year old.

Jordan was sick and tired and burned out, just like in 1993. Perhaps after the lockout he'd reconsider, but Jordan was insistent. That was it. Yes, there was that one-tenth of one percent left, and Jordan exercised it with the Washington Wizards. (And then, as it turned out, everyone but Abe Pollin's accountant wished he hadn't.)

Phil Jackson was exiting, too, but not because the Bulls pushed. Jackson admits Reinsdorf offered him a long-term deal to remain, but Jackson had this thing about the number of years players would listen to a coach and had set it at seven years with the Bulls. He now was through nine and promised himself he'd leave no matter what. It was only appeals from players that brought him back in 1996. He was determined nothing would change his mind this time.

Sure, Krause had already promised Tim Floyd the job. But Reinsdorf hadn't. He was willing to hire Frank Hamblen, Jackson's right-hand man. The Bulls even talked of perhaps a player/coach role for Jordan. He was assured that if he stayed, everyone on the Bulls who has eligible would get a big contract for the number of years Jordan remained.

There was no big deal from another club awaiting Pippen. Under the salary cap rules at the time, Pippen could get a total of $36 million from the Rockets. Not bad, but nowhere near the $70-plus million he got when the Bulls agreed to a sign-and-trade to take care of him after the breakup. So he'd have probably stayed as well.

And there as another $30-plus million waiting for Jordan. But he felt he had to carry too much burden that season, with Pippen's halfhearted season and Rodman's unpredictability. Jordan had been even having trouble sleeping at all that season and was considering medical help as a result. He had to get away.

To walk it back a step ... if the Bulls had really wanted to run out Jordan and Jackson and end the thing and save money or rebuild or whatever -- pick whichever is your favorite theory -- they would have done it in the summer of 1997.

[AMERICAN BONES]

not to mention reinsdorf brought pippen back again at the end of his career when he was broken down and had no money left just to give him a paycheck

[Tsar]

dude thats such crap about reinsdorf

oh. why did reinsdorf say 'organizations win championships' and then disband the team?

[AMERICAN BONES]

oh. why did reinsdorf say 'organizations win championships' and then disband the team?

krause said that, not jerry, and the team was not disbanded, phil jackson and michael jordan retired, after that the bulls decided an aging scottie pippen and dennis rodman werent going to cut it and failed miserably at rebuilding

[super hot]

Bulls aren't getting Lebron. He's going to the clippers

[AMERICAN BONES]

looks like hes going to miami with bosh and wade, but they are all gonna have to take pay cuts, the heat have around 36-38mil i think in cap space, and a max deal for wade i think is 23 mil, so i dont know how theyre gonna work that out

[Tsar]

krause said that, not jerry, and the team was not disbanded, phil jackson and michael jordan retired, after that the bulls decided an aging scottie pippen and dennis rodman werent going to cut it and failed miserably at rebuilding

they retired when it became clear that the org. wanted to begin rebuilding.

[Tsar]

Bulls aren't getting Lebron. He's going to the clippers

i've been saying this for two years now.

[AMERICAN BONES]

they retired when it became clear that the org. wanted to begin rebuilding.

Phil Jackson was exiting, too, but not because the Bulls pushed. Jackson admits Reinsdorf offered him a long-term deal to remain, but Jackson had this thing about the number of years players would listen to a coach and had set it at seven years with the Bulls. He now was through nine and promised himself he'd leave no matter what. It was only appeals from players that brought him back in 1996. He was determined nothing would change his mind this time.

at the time jordan claimed he would never play for any coach but phil, phil decided to leave, so did jordan, then the rebuilding began

[Tsar]

what are you quoting?

[super hot]

he's making it up.

[super hot]

I guess espn isn't a reliable source anymore. That's where I got my quote from.

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=smith_sam&id=1936782

[Tsar]

Sam Smith is a notorious liar--he's always trying to sell the masses some story or other, usually when he has a book about to hit stores.

[CensoredToezFlava]

Lebron a Buck yet?

[California Giant]

No, but Michael Redd is.

[super hot]

Sam Smith is a notorious liar--he's always trying to sell the masses some story or other, usually when he has a book about to hit stores.

so true. everyone knows that the bulls owner is frugal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/133/lbj-free-agency-5-questions-on-bullsknicks-premise

[Tsar]

so true. everyone knows that the bulls owner is frugal.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/133/lbj-free-agency-5-questions-on-bullsknicks-premise

QFT. and here's a nice little piece (also from ESPN) on Reinsdorf from that link--home AB gets a chance to revise his opinion.


Let's not forget that Reinsdorf has a well-earned reputation as being one of the more frugal owners in the league (he broke up a dynasty following the 1998 three-peat because in large part because he did not want to commit long-term dollars to Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen for what would be the downsides of their careers).

[AMERICAN BONES]

tsar youre losing it, thats the quote mante already posted. chris sheridan obviously doesnt know shit. reinsdorf aint frugal at all, he spends the cash and is one of the most loyal owners in the league

[Tsar]

tsar youre losing it, thats the quote mante already posted. chris sheridan obviously doesnt know shit. reinsdorf aint frugal at all, he spends the cash and is one of the most loyal owners in the league

i don't get why he decided to break up a championship team, except to save some money. what was your point again?

[AMERICAN BONES]

there are plenty of former and current bulls reinsdorf dished out the cash too, whether it be via contract, sign and trade or jobs, but here are a few stories off the top of head about reinsdorf that i can think of that say alot about the man.......


of course there was eddy curry, the out of shape lazy draft bust, that was found at the end of his 4th year to have an irregular heartbeat, the bulls wanted him to take a dna test to make sure his problem couldnt be fatal, they even offered him a $20 million buyout if the tests said he had to retire.......
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180298
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/paxson_curry_051003.html
The Bulls had insisted that Curry take a DNA test to determine whether he's susceptible to a potentially fatal heart problem. Curry, who missed the final 13 games of the regular season and the playoffs after experiencing an irregular heartbeat, balked, saying it violated his privacy.

"We put a proposal on the table to keep Eddy a couple of weeks ago. As part of that proposal, we asked Eddy to take the genetic test. And if he failed the genetic test, we were offering him basically what amounts to a lifetime annuity. We were offering him $400,000 a year for 50 years of his life so that he would have an above-average lifestyle that would put him in a position most other people aren’t in. Our intention through that whole process was to show him that we did care about him and that we were concerned about his well-being.

"The bottom line is this: I would never put a player on the floor in a Chicago Bulls uniform if I didn't think I had done everything in my power to find out all the information that was available to us. You can debate genetic testing until you're blue in the face. But what I know and been told and what I've learned over the last six months is that the test could have helped us determine the best course of action. We went to far as to offer Eddy a opportunity to not only find out, but to live his life comfortably because that's how much we cared about him.


Randy Brown was in a world of debt, was just cut from the Kings, and going through a very tough bankruptcy proceding....
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/randy.brown.bulls.2.1093824.html
Randy Brown was along for the ride during the Bulls second three-peat in the '90s.

The fairy tale for the Chicago kid from Collins High School turned into a nightmare when a federal bankruptcy judge ordered him to sell his three championship rings as part of his debt collection.

"I had no idea they wanted my championship rings, but I gave them up," Brown said. "Unfortunately the timing came right when I got dismissed from Sacramento Kings. I lose my job and now I'm selling my rings because I'm broke."

"Those rings meant a lot to me. I didn't care about the money. My wife and I are not material people. I made some mistakes, and I'm here to correct them, but my rings are being replaced."

Thanks to the generosity of Jerry Reinsdorf and the Bulls, who also are helping Brown get a fresh start, by hiring him as their director of player development.


Jay Williams got into his motorcycle accident in 2003 that ended his career after only one season, the bulls didnt owe him shit, he voided his contract the moment he got on that bike....
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/bulls/2004-02-02-williams-buyout_x.htm
Jay Williams and the Chicago Bulls completed a $3 million buyout of the injured point guard's contract Monday, but Williams' agent says the point guard still hopes to resume his career with the team that made him the No. 2 pick in the 2002 NBA draft.

Williams' salary will come off the Bulls' books at the end of next season. But the buyout creates a roster spot immediately and gives them flexibility should they make a deal as the Feb. 19 trade deadline approaches.

Terms of Williams' contract prohibited him from riding motorcycles, and the Bulls could have voided his contract.

"The buyout says a whole lot," Duffy said. "You can't say enough about (Bulls chairman) Jerry Reinsdorf's willingness to handle this from the time it happened. His communication with the family and Jay and his concern, he handled it very well. People talk about the cold and calculating nature of sports, but he was willing to help him. He hasn't penalized him as harshly as he could have for the mistake he made. That's refreshing in the current business climate of this country."

[AMERICAN BONES]

shut up tsar

[Tsar]

1. hiring randy brown to a third tier organizational position does not make the org. 'generous'. he was desperate; they had a hole. i bet he gets 10-15 per cent less than he'd have gotten in LA or NYC.

2. the Jason Williams thing was part PR, part business decision. they didn't want negative attention, and they didn't want a lawsuit.

3. last time i checked the bulls traded kirk hinrich to save money.

4. now you.

[Tsar]

oh, and you're an idiot if you think the bulls were being generous with eddy curry.

[AMERICAN BONES]

1. hiring randy brown to a third tier organizational position does not make the org. 'generous'. he was desperate; they had a hole. i bet he gets 10-15 per cent less than he'd have gotten in LA or NYC.

2. the Jason Williams thing was part PR, part business decision. they didn't want negative attention, and they didn't want a lawsuit.

3. last time i checked the bulls traded kirk hinrich to save money.

4. now you.

lol the bulls traded away hinrich cus they were too generous to guys like him, deng and gordon(who thankfully didnt sign). they arent taking money out of kirks pocket, or putting money in theirs, they made that deal so they could have more money to spend on big time free agents, im not arguing with you anymore you senile old man

[Tsar]

lol the bulls traded away hinrich cus they were too generous to guys like him, deng and gordon(who thankfully didnt sign). they arent taking money out of kirks pocket, or putting money in theirs, they made that deal so they could have more money to spend on big time free agents, im not arguing with you anymore you senile old man

1. lol, they were generous with gordon and he wouldn't stay. that makes sense.

2. they know they're not getting lebron, so 86'ing hinrich as everything to do with money.

3. (see bold) you're just another notch on my belt then. go ahead, run away from logic, argumentation, and evidence. go paint your fantasy world where jerry reinsdorf and the bulls aren't in it for the money and serve only a higher purpose.

jesus.

[Tsar]

i wish i could live in an elaborate fantasy world of my own creation.

[American Born Jr]

been reading about lebron, wade, and bosh splitting cash so they could all play together...i think this is total bullshit. players are too greedy for money and the ball. bosh will not join a team where he would be the third star. also, wade and lebron, in terms of style, are the same player. driving to the net with power moves with a mix of inconsistent jumpers.
also, with a growing rookie in beasley, i think thats even more turbulance. i dont see that working out. the celtics having allen, pierce, and garnett together worked bc they had differing roles that meshed. the heat would go far, but they wouldnt be as great as one would think

also read about nike telling lebron that if he went to chicago, he would be given the largest contract (from nike) ever. found that interesting. i am hoping the bulls can pull in bosh and lebron or bosh and wade. its been reported that the bulls are interested in boozer....i wont watch a fucking game if they waste money on him. and i dont want joe johnson either, unless they bring in bosh with him

this is the most excited ive been about the NBA in a while

[American Born Jr]

the bulls traded hinrich for 2 reasons

1) to clear up cap space to make bringing in 2 big name players possible

2) bc he wasnt worth his salary.

[American Born Jr]

oh, and you're an idiot if you think the bulls were being generous with eddy curry.

are you fucking stupid or just naive? im curious

[sher-bant]

Lebron IS going to the Bulls. I know this for a fact.

You heard it here first.

...I'm so fucking excited! It's gonna be a bit like the Jordan years again. I'm looking foreward to my kids experiencing all of that fun.

[American Born Jr]

Lebron IS going to the Bulls. I know this for a fact.

You heard it here first.

...I'm so fucking excited! It's gonna be a bit like the Jordan years again. I'm looking foreward to my kids experiencing all of that fun.

youre an idiot for even thinking this...

[Tsar]

are you fucking stupid or just naive? im curious

400K/year is less than, say, 10 million a year. it was not a good deal for curry.

400k x 50 (years) is 20 million. not a good deal for curry.

The bulls were thinking about risk management as much as anything.

do you get it now?

[Tsar]

been reading about lebron, wade, and bosh splitting cash so they could all play together...i think this is total bullshit. players are too greedy for money and the ball. bosh will not join a team where he would be the third star. also, wade and lebron, in terms of style, are the same player. driving to the net with power moves with a mix of inconsistent jumpers.
also, with a growing rookie in beasley, i think thats even more turbulance. i dont see that working out. the celtics having allen, pierce, and garnett together worked bc they had differing roles that meshed. the heat would go far, but they wouldnt be as great as one would think

also read about nike telling lebron that if he went to chicago, he would be given the largest contract (from nike) ever. found that interesting. i am hoping the bulls can pull in bosh and lebron or bosh and wade. its been reported that the bulls are interested in boozer....i wont watch a fucking game if they waste money on him. and i dont want joe johnson either, unless they bring in bosh with him

this is the most excited ive been about the NBA in a while

tl/dr

[American Born Jr]

400K/year is less than, say, 10 million a year. it was not a good deal for curry.

400k x 50 (years) is 20 million. not a good deal for curry.

The bulls were thinking about risk management as much as anything.

do you get it now?

not a good deal? getting paid 400k to not play is just awful eh

[Tsar]

not a good deal? getting paid 400k to not play is just awful eh

getting 400K a year is great. but curry and his agent got a shit load more by saying 'no thanks.' it was a shit deal compared to what his original contract provided. i realize you're from chicago and that you have a hardon for the home team, but put your business cap on and think, 'would i rather make 400k a year, or 10 million a year?'

[Tsar]

oh, and are you fucking stupid or just naive? i'm curious

[American Born Jr]

getting 400K a year is great. but curry and his agent got a shit load more by saying 'no thanks.' it was a shit deal compared to what his original contract provided. i realize you're from chicago and that you have a hardon for the home team, but put your business cap on and think, 'would i rather make 400k a year, or 10 million a year?'

me being from chicago has nothing to do with it. the bulls made the right decision. if curry continued to play and his heart caused him to miss time, the bulls lose out big time.

[Tsar]

me being from chicago has nothing to do with it. the bulls made the right decision. if curry continued to play and his heart caused him to miss time, the bulls lose out big time.

jesus, you are stupid. my point from the get-go was that the bulls are not generous or altruistic and the curry situation is a clear example of them thinking of what's good for business.

that's why you were arguing that curry had a good deal offered to him, wasn't it? and now you're changing positions midstream? see post 71 for details, btw.

curry was offered a shit deal compared to his original contract, but some people can't see that.

[American Born Jr]

jesus, you are stupid. my point from the get-go was that the bulls are not generous or altruistic and the curry situation is a clear example of them thinking of what's good for business.

that's why you were arguing that curry had a good deal offered to him, wasn't it? and now you're changing positions midstream? see post 71 for details, btw.

curry was offered a shit deal compared to his original contract, but some people can't see that.

considering the situation, id say it wasnt a shit deal. he knew he had heart issues and the team was willing to give him money if he had to retire on top of the millions he already made

[American Born Jr]

maybe im just biased against selfish, overpaid athletes

[Tsar]

considering the situation, id say it wasnt a shit deal. he knew he had heart issues and the team was willing to give him money if he had to retire on top of the millions he already made

decide what you want to argue and then let me know you're done equivocating like a woman.

i'll be over at sherdogs reading about mma meanwhile.

[American Born Jr]

all im saying is that the bulls werent blackballing him by being cautious....considering his numbers, he wasnt worth the risk...he made 10,000,000+ last season by playing less than 10 games. i bet NY was happy about that

[Tsar]

All I was saying was that the bulls were not acting selflessly, at which point you called me stupid and naive.

[American Born Jr]

All I was saying was that the bulls were not acting selflessly, at which point you called me stupid and naive.

what team would have? its a business. they looked out for both sides, imo. its naive to think a professional team would pay out the ass for a player who could die at any moment after refusing to take a simple test

[Tsar]

what team would have? its a business. they looked out for both sides, imo. its naive to think a professional team would pay out the ass for a player who could die at any moment after refusing to take a simple test

so what was stupid or naive about my post?

[American Born Jr]

thinking that a team would act selflessly in that situation

[AMERICAN BONES]

i dont think it was that bad of a deal tsar, we got alot of value for him in the trade and got rid of his contract, the deal we ended up making was much better than the one they initially offered him, correct? so it really wasnt about the money, or the team, it was about currys well being, otherwise they would have said fuck your health, fuck the tests, were just gonna trade you and let you possibly die on someone elses court. all curry had to do was take the test, he would have passed most likely, considering he hasnt croaked yet, and resumed his career. on the slim chance he would have failed, i think 400k a year for doing nothing is better than dying on a basketball court making a significant amount more.

tsar how about you give some examples about reinsdorf being frugal, and enough of the breaking up the dynasty crap, cus that wasnt his fault

[super hot]

getting 400K a year is great. but curry and his agent got a shit load more by saying 'no thanks.' it was a shit deal compared to what his original contract provided. i realize you're from chicago and that you have a hardon for the home team, but put your business cap on and think, 'would i rather make 400k a year, or 10 million a year?'

These idiots don't know how to factor in the present value of money. By today's standards that would have probably been equal to around 7 million dollars. Shit deal IMO

[Tsar]

thinking that a team would act selflessly in that situation

i suggested the contrary, but you are not getting understanding from my posts for some reason.

[Tsar]

i dont think it was that bad of a deal tsar, we got alot of value for him in the trade and got rid of his contract, the deal we ended up making was much better than the one they initially offered him, correct? so it really wasnt about the money, or the team, it was about currys well being, otherwise they would have said fuck your health, fuck the tests, were just gonna trade you and let you possibly die on someone elses court. all curry had to do was take the test, he would have passed most likely, considering he hasnt croaked yet, and resumed his career. on the slim chance he would have failed, i think 400k a year for doing nothing is better than dying on a basketball court making a significant amount more.

tsar how about you give some examples about reinsdorf being frugal, and enough of the breaking up the dynasty crap, cus that wasnt his fault

trying to get rid of curry for 400K a year (rather than his fair market value); getting rid of hinrich just to sign some worn out can like Sasha Medvedenko (since they aren't getting Lebron); not doing everything it takes to make the fourpeat happen; etc.

[AMERICAN BONES]

trying to get rid of curry for 400K a year (rather than his fair market value); getting rid of hinrich just to sign some worn out can like Sasha Medvedenko (since they aren't getting Lebron); not doing everything it takes to make the fourpeat happen; etc.

tsar again you are an idiot, curry was a free agent, his deal was a sign and trade, they could have just let him go for nothing

hinrich fucking sucked and was over paid, we will see what happens in the free agent market but imo the bulls WILL walk away with TWO high profile guys, whether its lebron and bosh, or joe johnson and boozer, they will use the money they dumped with hinrich

again their was nothing they could do to keep the 98 team together, nothing could keep jackson in town, and if jackson wasnt their MJ was gonna retire, these are facts

[Raymundo]

It doesnt matter where LeBron goes hes still not ganna get a ring... Lakers are ganna win again in 2011

[CensoredToezFlava]

No, but Michael Redd is.

fuck

[SexeCute]

People shouldn't be worried about LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. I am more curious about Joe Johnson, Dirk (could leave since he opt out), Boozer, Pierce (opted out today), Amare, and Derek Lee.

[sher-bant]

My source tells me its all but done. Just a matter of dotting the I's and crossing the T's.


..."Please welcome the newest member of the Chicago Bulls, LeBron James!"

[SexeCute]

My source tells me its all but done. Just a matter of dotting the I's and crossing the T's.


..."Please welcome the newest member of the Chicago Bulls, LeBron James!"

Who is your source? I mean, I trust you since you post here and all, but I need to know.

[sher-bant]

Who is your source? I mean, I trust you since you post here and all, but I need to know.

Dude. Come on. Its me, sherbs...I wouldn't lie to you.

[super hot]

Lebron and Ray Allen are heading to the clippers. Done deal.

[Boxhead]

ray allen or paul pierce to the clippers would make me happy as hell but if by some miracle lebron goes to the clippers I will stop being a fan

[super hot]

the bulls don't have enough cap space for two max contracts. looks like someone will need to be a sign and trade if they want to make it happen.

[pflo]

People shouldn't be worried about LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. I am more curious about Joe Johnson, Dirk (could leave since he opt out), Boozer, Pierce (opted out today), Amare, and Derek Lee.

The only reason to be more curious about the latter players you mentioned is what they will do their current teams when they leave. Other than that, the first 3, maybe dirk too, are more intriguing where they will go.

[AMERICAN BONES]

People shouldn't be worried about LeBron, Wade, and Bosh. I am more curious about Joe Johnson, Dirk (could leave since he opt out), Boozer, Pierce (opted out today), Amare, and Derek Lee.

that guy is a bum

[AMERICAN BONES]

dont know how legit this is, but my buddy just called me and said his boy who works at a club in the city just texted him saying lebron was there

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/images/a2/2e/1780182/original_image.png?1277963364

[super hot]

If Lebron is going anywhere he's going to the nets

[AMERICAN BONES]

if lebron were going to the nets, he will sign a 3 year deal with the cavs first, wait for the nets to add some pieces and move to brooklyn

[super hot]

I heard the same thing

[AMERICAN BONES]

JAY-Z is offering lebron his own clothing line and cologne

[super hot]

they're going to off him everything possible. I still think the Clippers have the better team between the two. Only if they had a better owner though.

[AMERICAN BONES]

the clippers do have a solid team, but everyone knows LA is Kobes town, thats their biggest hurdle imo

[super hot]

kobe will only be relevant for two more years. the years of bball are wearing on him. he's getting old fast just like Garnett

[AMERICAN BONES]

his finger is permanently fucked up too now, i cant wait for that faggot to retire

[super hot]

I wish he'd shaun livingston'd himself years ago.

[AMERICAN BONES]

lol that would have been nice

[super hot]

looks like gay is staying memphis 5 yr and 80 mil

[AMERICAN BONES]

and johnson in atl for 6 years $119mil, fucking crazy for a 29 year old

[___]

the clippers do have a solid team, but everyone knows LA is Kobes town, thats their biggest hurdle imo

And Chicago is Michael's town.

[super hot]

and johnson in atl for 6 years $119mil, fucking crazy for a 29 year old

especially for a guy who choked in the playoffs. He's not worth that much. maybe around 15 mil a year for 5

[California Giant]

and Miami is Glenn Rice's town.


and New York is John Stark's town

and New Jersey is Drazen Pretrovich's town

[AMERICAN BONES]

And Chicago is Michael's town.

i dont buy that, kobe had no problem making an name for himself in magics town, who had no problem making a name for himself in jerry wests town, not to mention wilt, elgin baylor and kareem. if you win you make a name for yourself, simple as that, no matter what tradition preceds you

[AMERICAN BONES]

especially for a guy who choked in the playoffs. He's not worth that much. maybe around 15 mil a year for 5

i would have loved to see him come to the bulls for a 3-4 year deal, i dont blame him for taking atls offer, but it is a retarded offer

[super hot]

these gm's are idiots. in three years they're going to want to trade him for cap relief. I guess they won't have money to resign Horford when he's done with his current contract.

[SexeCute]

Hortford is someone you would rather build around, not Joe Johnson at 29....

[SexeCute]

Bosh went to visit the Houston Rockets today.

LeBron is in Ohio allowing each team some time to persuade him.

Wade is trying to sell Pat Riley as a reason to come to Miami....


On another note, a source of mine saw Milwaukee Bucks GM John Hammond on a plane. He says that he was overlooking Hammonds seat and saw a trade that would bring Wade, Bosh, LeBron, Boozer, and Dwight Howard to the Bucks for some draft picks.

[American Born Jr]

joe johnson is not worth $20 million/year

[SexeCute]

joe johnson is not worth $20 million/year

They should have pursued John Salmons for 8-9 million a year. Puts up similar numbers and stopped Joe in the playoffs from doing anything significant.

[CensoredToezFlava]

On another note, a source of mine saw Milwaukee Bucks GM John Hammond on a plane. He says that he was overlooking Hammonds seat and saw a trade that would bring Wade, Bosh, LeBron, Boozer, and Dwight Howard to the Bucks for some draft picks.

I hope so. That would be awesome.

[American Born Jr]

They should have pursued John Salmons for 8-9 million a year. Puts up similar numbers and stopped Joe in the playoffs from doing anything significant.

lol salmons is solid, but he isnt joe johnson. the hawks have a good team, but unless they bring in somebody else, they will never get far in the post season

[SexeCute]

lol salmons is solid, but he isnt joe johnson. the hawks have a good team, but unless they bring in somebody else, they will never get far in the post season

Definitely not, but I'd rather pay $8 mil for Salmons than $20 mil for Johnson.

[American Born Jr]

Definitely not, but I'd rather pay $8 mil for Salmons than $20 mil for Johnson.

i dont like johnsons game...i wouldnt have minded the bulls getting him, but only if they got bosh too.

[SexeCute]

i dont like johnsons game...i wouldnt have minded the bulls getting him, but only if they got bosh too.

If I was a team with money, I would completely avoid Joe Johnson, Amare, David Lee, and Boozer. None of those guys are worth max deals.

[___]

Bosh went to visit the Houston Rockets today.

LeBron is in Ohio allowing each team some time to persuade him.

Wade is trying to sell Pat Riley as a reason to come to Miami....


On another note, a source of mine saw Milwaukee Bucks GM John Hammond on a plane. He says that he was overlooking Hammonds seat and saw a trade that would bring Wade, Bosh, LeBron, Boozer, and Dwight Howard to the Bucks for some draft picks.

:rofl:

[super hot]

If I was a team with money, I would completely avoid Joe Johnson, Amare, David Lee, and Boozer. None of those guys are worth max deals.

max deals are only for those that can help you win in the playoffs. None of those listed do so. At best I'd give the 15 mil over 4 years for any of them. You don't want to have an aging player on your payroll.

[super hot]

Lebron and Wade are the only ones who deserve max money. Maybe Bosh but he isn't a go to player. He's more of a compliment

[American Born Jr]

If I was a team with money, I would completely avoid Joe Johnson, Amare, David Lee, and Boozer. None of those guys are worth max deals.

my thoughts exactly. i would only want one of those players if wade or lebron was brought in with them.

[AMERICAN BONES]

gotta pay market value though, and this is the time people have the space cleared up to make moves

[super hot]

I'd rather save cap space for a trade later when people want to dump salary (ie. Gasol) than over spend for players like Johnson, Amare, and Boozer

[SexeCute]

I'd rather save cap space for a trade later when people want to dump salary (ie. Gasol) than over spend for players like Johnson, Amare, and Boozer

Ding. The Bucks will be able to dump Redd's expiring for a group/all-star at the deadline.

[super hot]

Clips meet with Lebron today. If he wants a dynasty come to LA

[Tsar]

pretty sure the clippers are going to make the conference finals next year even without lebron.

[super hot]

But with lebron they'd win four in a row.

[SexeCute]

What did I tell you? AMare is close to a deal with the Knicks. 5 year $100 million. Man the Knicks are fucking retarded....

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5349419

[Tsar]

What did I tell you? AMare is close to a deal with the Knicks. 5 year $100 million. Man the Knicks are fucking retarded....

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5349419

they're going to end up back where they were four years ago--over the cap and loaded with canplayers.

[SexeCute]

they're going to end up back where they were four years ago--over the cap and loaded with canplayers.

Not shocking at all. I thought they would get Joe Johnson and Amare, but it seems it will be Amare and only Amare.

[CensoredToezFlava]

Maybe they'll take Redd

[super hot]

amare plays no defense and can't rebound. lol @ paying someone all that money just for offense

[SexeCute]

Maybe they'll take Redd

Eh? We would have to waive him and then they would need to sign him for the same price. Wouldn't happen. Only other way to dump Redd to them would be a sign and trade or a trade for one of their shitty players.

[Boxhead]

all these moves don't matter lakers are going to 3 peat

[Tsar]

amare plays no defense and can't rebound. lol @ paying someone all that money just for offense

he's worth lamar odom money--maybe a just a bit more than he gets.

[SexeCute]

all these moves don't matter lakers are going to 3 peat

Post of the day right here ladies and gentlemen. Phil goes out as the best coach ever and Kobe will be considered a top 3 player all time.

[SexeCute]

he's worth lamar odom money--maybe a just a bit more than he gets.

Odom plays defense and rebounds. I would take that over Amare's above average offense any day...

[AMERICAN BONES]

amare plays no defense and can't rebound. lol @ paying someone all that money just for offense

plus one shot to the face and he could go blind, and the micro fracture in his knee, too many ?s to sign this guy long term

[AMERICAN BONES]

amare may be the most talented big in the league, he just doesnt have the right mindset

[super hot]

lakers will not 3 peat. fuck them. i'll go and take care of Kobe if they come close

[Boxhead]

lakers will win the west only team that can compete with them are the thunder everyone else will have a down year

[AMERICAN BONES]

lakers will prolly win the west, then get swept by whichever team makes out the best this offseason

[SexeCute]

lakers will win the west only team that can compete with them are the thunder everyone else will have a down year

Blazers - imploding

Thunder - still need bigs to compete with elite teams

Rockets - Not so sure if Ming comes back good, not quite good enough to compete with any solid teams

Mavericks - lol, this team hasn't improved over the off-season

Suns - losing their best big man, only acquisition is Hakim Warrick...

Utah - Boozer is on the loose and the Jazz are in financial hell

Memphis - Solid but they lack playmaking ability and shouldn't compete with any of the top teams.



That leaves the Nuggets as the biggest opposition to the Lakers next year assuming some of these teams from the West don't acquire any of the big named FA's. I like the Lakers chance at a 3-peat...

[SexeCute]

lakers will prolly win the west, then get swept by whichever team makes out the best this offseason

Not likely at all. Unless Bron, Wade, and Bosh go to one team, I don't see their signings anywhere making a big impact.

Don't even mention the Bulls either, your homer-ism can be annoying. LeBron doesn't fit with Derrick Rose at all unless LeBron lets Rose play point the entire game.

[Boxhead]

if pierce and allen leave boston then the magic win the east and bosh can't compete with dwight he is the best big man in the east

[SexeCute]

if pierce and allen leave boston then the magic win the east bosh can't compete with dwight he is the best big man in the east

Pierce is on the verge of signing a 4 year $61 million deal with Boston. Boston was all in this past year and it's hard to imagine them matching last years performance. Rondo still can't shoot, Perkins shouldn't touch a ball unless he's blocking it, and Garnet/Pierce/Allen all get a year older.

[Boxhead]

if espn wasn't on lebron nuts so much this free agency shit would even be news everyone opting out of their contract just wants more money from their current teams

[SexeCute]

if espn wasn't on lebron nuts so much this free agency shit would even be news everyone opting out of their contract just wants more money from their current teams

Dirk will likely sign a max deal with Dallas. Players like Dirk, Pierce, LeBron, and Wade are opting out and enjoying the dick sucking done by other teams. They know they're re-signing with their current teams, but they're taking full advantage of this situation. Look at it, teams are overpaying just to keep B level stars because they don't want to miss out on anyone (Joe Johnson, Amare).

[AMERICAN BONES]

Not likely at all. Unless Bron, Wade, and Bosh go to one team, I don't see their signings anywhere making a big impact.

Don't even mention the Bulls either, your homer-ism can be annoying. LeBron doesn't fit with Derrick Rose at all unless LeBron lets Rose play point the entire game.

explain this please

[AMERICAN BONES]

Dirk will likely sign a max deal with Dallas. Players like Dirk, Pierce, LeBron, and Wade are opting out and enjoying the dick sucking done by other teams. They know they're re-signing with their current teams, but they're taking full advantage of this situation. Look at it, teams are overpaying just to keep B level stars because they don't want to miss out on anyone (Joe Johnson, Amare).

theyre opting out because its their last chance to cash in before the new cba and very possible lockout

[Boxhead]

Pierce is on the verge of signing a 4 year $61 million deal with Boston. Boston was all in this past year and it's hard to imagine them matching last years performance. Rondo still can't shoot, Perkins shouldn't touch a ball unless he's blocking it, and Garnet/Pierce/Allen all get a year older.

The thing is it's boston they have a history of winning and the east still sucks for the most part so they will make the playoffs. Top 3 east team next year and the team with the most experiences can get then to another finals we saw it this year.

[SexeCute]

explain this please

Rose needs to distribute the ball a majority of the time to be considered relevant. You're not going to have LeBron driving and dishing it back to Rose to shoot the jumper, are you? If I am Chicago, I try to move Rose and possibly acquire someone who can shoot from the point.

LeBron played point for the most part for Cleveland and they may have been more successful in the post-season had Mo Williams played like he did during the regular season. Mo shot 21% from three against the Celtics...

[Boxhead]

theyre opting out because its their last chance to cash in before the new cba and very possible lockout

yup and all this no sense isn't going to change the landscape of the nba at all the teams with winning history will still be on top

[AMERICAN BONES]

Rose needs to distribute the ball a majority of the time to be considered relevant. You're not going to have LeBron driving and dishing it back to Rose to shoot the jumper, are you? If I am Chicago, I try to move Rose and possibly acquire someone who can shoot from the point.

LeBron played point for the most part for Cleveland and they may have been more successful in the post-season had Mo Williams played like he did during the regular season. Mo shot 21% from three against the Celtics...

rose would be the PG, he would handle the ball the majority of the time, the bulls need an outside shooter, no question, but just becasue rose isnt that guy does not make them a bad combo, rose is unselfish, and doesnt need the ball in his hands at all times.

its funny you say rose needs to distribute the ball the majority of the time to be relevent, yet your trying to argue that possibly the best player in the league as a guy on the court for him to distribute the ball to is a bad thing. rose led all point guards in scoring last year too BTW, so hes been pretty relevent keeping the ball to himself too i think. rose is cut from the same mold as a chris paul, the guy lebrons people have been hyping up

[SexeCute]

rose would be the PG, he would handle the ball the majority of the time, the bulls need an outside shooter, no question, but just becasue rose isnt that guy does not make them a bad combo, rose is unselfish, and doesnt need the ball in his hands at all times.

its funny you say rose needs to distribute the ball the majority of the time to be relevent, yet your trying to argue that possibly the best player in the league as a guy on the court for him to distribute the ball to is a bad thing. rose led all point guards in scoring last year too BTW, so hes been pretty relevent keeping the ball to himself too i think. rose is cut from the same mold as a chris paul, the guy lebrons people have been hyping up

All I am saying is LeBron plays point for most of the game and I don't think that fits as well with Rose on the team.

Do you think LeBron signs if the Bulls don't get another top FA?

[Raymundo]

ray allen or paul pierce to the clippers would make me happy as hell but if by some miracle lebron goes to the clippers I will stop being a fan

Nobody in there right mind would ever... EVVVVER go play for those shitty ass clippers if it was up to them.

[Raymundo]

Pierce just signed back with the Celtics anyways and Ray Allen will most likely do the same. As for LeBron he will go to the Bulls or Nets if not back to shitty Ohio.

[Boxhead]

Pierce just signed back with the Celtics anyways and Ray Allen will most likely do the same. As for LeBron he will go to the Bulls or Nets if not back to shitty Ohio.

yeah I did say they are just opting out for more money from their present team way to ignore every other post after that one

[SuperNatural]

Lakers signed steve blake to a 4 year, $16 mill deal. Good guy to come off the bench or insurance if D Fish doesnt come back.

[super hot]

good bye fisher he sucks

[SuperNatural]

He's asking for 2 years at 10 million, I dont know if theyll give him that

[California Giant]

Magic win it all

[American Born Jr]

Rose needs to distribute the ball a majority of the time to be considered relevant. You're not going to have LeBron driving and dishing it back to Rose to shoot the jumper, are you? If I am Chicago, I try to move Rose and possibly acquire someone who can shoot from the point.

LeBron played point for the most part for Cleveland and they may have been more successful in the post-season had Mo Williams played like he did during the regular season. Mo shot 21% from three against the Celtics...

what an idiotic statement.

[AMERICAN BONES]

maybe we could trade rose for a shooter like mo williams, hes a better fit for lebron, guys like rondo, rose, devin harris, tony parker ect arent good fits with lebron

[Raymundo]

yeah I did say they are just opting out for more money from their present team way to ignore every other post after that one
SHUT UP!!

[Raymundo]

good bye fisher he sucksOh no you didnt!

[SexeCute]

maybe we could trade rose for a shooter like mo williams, hes a better fit for lebron, guys like rondo, rose, devin harris, tony parker ect arent good fits with lebron

If Mo could shoot during the playoffs, he would be. You and Joey can get butthurt all you want over me saying Rose isn't a good fit, it doesn't matter. He will sign elsewhere unless the Bulls can bring in another star soon.

[Raymundo]

If Mo could shoot during the playoffs, he would be. You and Joey can get butthurt all you want over me saying Rose isn't a good fit, it doesn't matter. He will sign elsewhere unless the Bulls can bring in another star soon.
Rose is one of the best pg's in the nba, LeBron would be lucky to play with a guy like that.

[The0ldDirtyRug]

maybe we could trade rose for a shooter like mo williams, hes a better fit for lebron, guys like rondo, rose, devin harris, tony parker ect arent good fits with lebron
Aaron Brooks can shoot and he's not overrated like Mo Williams.
I wouldn't even trade Rodney Stuckey for Mo Williams.

[American Born Jr]

trade derrick fucking rose for mo williams? that would be by far the dumbest thing the Bulls' could do at this point

and how is rose a bad fit? they could run the floor on anybody. they both can get to the net somewhat easily. when one gets cut off or doubled, the other will be there. having two guys with that kind of talent on the floor will cause defenses to break down wholesale

[American Born Jr]

bulls should try and sign kyle korver...they will need a shooter, and korver is exactly that.

[California Giant]

Tony Kukoc.

[California Giant]

Steve Kerr

[SexeCute]

DWade is manipulating free agency like a fucking puppet master.

[Muscle Faggot]

I read an article stating that their is a good chance Wade is going to chicago,he had a second meeting with the bulls today.I think lebron will stay with the cavs but its not impossible for wade and Lebron to go to the Bulls along side of Bosh.

[SexeCute]

I read an article stating that their is a good chance Wade is going to chicago,he had a second meeting with the bulls today.I think lebron will stay with the cavs but its not impossible for wade and Lebron to go to the Bulls along side of Bosh.

It's a move by Wade to pressure Riley in getting a deal done with Bosh ASAP. I think LeBron should announce his decision soon and then Wade and Bosh will follow suit and sign with Miami.

If I am wrong, then the next closest thing would be LeBron going to Chicago and one more superstar following suit, followed by them trading Deng away for another solid player.

[The0ldDirtyRug]

The only outcome I want out of this is for the Knicks to be good again.
I really want to see TMAC get a fucking Ring.
Grant Hill was close this year to his first ring, but I guess thats just not meant to be.

[SexeCute]

I read an article stating that their is a good chance Wade is going to chicago,he had a second meeting with the bulls today.I think lebron will stay with the cavs but its not impossible for wade and Lebron to go to the Bulls along side of Bosh.

The only outcome I want out of this is for the Knicks to be good again.
I really want to see TMAC get a fucking Ring.
Grant Hill was close this year to his first ring, but I guess thats just not meant to be.

The Knicks aren't looking swell if they sign Amare.

[Tupac Shakira]

I heard Lebron and Wade are coming to Philly.

[Raymundo]

I heard Lebron and Wade are coming to Philly.

Lebron is ganna stay with the cavs unless he goes to the knicks and Wade will stay with the heat unless he goes to Chicago.

[Raymundo]

The Knicks aren't looking swell if they sign Amare.
well they just made a deal with Stoudemire to go to the Knicks, 100 million for 5 years.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/07/05/stoudemire.knicks/index.html#?ls=iref:nbahpt1

[SexeCute]

I heard Lebron and Wade are coming to Philly.

:rofl:

[AMERICAN BONES]

why would bosh and wade decide to team up in miami? i really dont understand that at all, what does miami have to offer? they can give wade an extra year on his contract, thats it. chicago and new jersey are better markets and put better players around them, and wade has a better chance of getting custody of his kids if hes in chicago

[CensoredToezFlava]

what does miami have to offer?

A shit load of tan titties

[AMERICAN BONES]

:rofl:

[sher-bant]

Its not looking good for Chicago. As a matter of fact, its a certainty that Lebron will NOT be joining the Bulls.

So sad.

[AMERICAN BONES]

if we sign boozer, and a couple of shooters, maybe a shannon brown, we will be better then last year and have a pretty good team, but it would still be a let down

i also wouldnt be surprised if the bulls next year finished with a better record then the heat, thatd be awesome

[sher-bant]

if we sign boozer, and a couple of shooters, maybe a shannon brown, we will be better then last year and have a pretty good team, but it would still be a let down

i also wouldnt be surprised if the bulls next year finished with a better record then the heat, thatd be awesome

But you do agree...No Lebron. Right?

[AMERICAN BONES]

ya i dont think lebron is coming here, but anything could happen

[sher-bant]

ya i dont think lebron is coming here, but anything could happen

My guess is that he's staying put. Why else would he announce it the way he is? If he doesn't stay, they're gonna lynch him on the spot...live on ESPN!

[AMERICAN BONES]

man i really have no idea about lebron or what the hell he is thinking, heres a story from espn insider

LeBron James is planning to announce where he's going to sign on ESPN Thursday at 9 PM (eastern).

Brian Windhorst of The Plain Dealer has followed James for a long time and wrote some interesting tweets Tuesday night about how he doesn't recognize him anymore.

Windhorst wrote: "The location of LeBron's announcement is not expected to be in one of the cities he's considering. Will keep the guessing going. ... Suddenly it is clear to me. LeBron has changed. A new website. Starting Twitter. This announcement. This isn't the guy I know."

Windhorst then wrote these tweets Wednesday morning: "I'm told none of LeBron's suitors know his decision. It seems possible of all them could remain in dark leading up to [Thursday] night. ... Teams and even several people in James own camp were blindsided when hearing about [the] ESPN show."

[sher-bant]

Oh good. He is coming to Chicago.

[CensoredToezFlava]

BUCKS!

[Raymundo]

why would bosh and wade decide to team up in miami? i really dont understand that at all, what does miami have to offer? they can give wade an extra year on his contract, thats it. chicago and new jersey are better markets and put better players around them, and wade has a better chance of getting custody of his kids if hes in chicagoFuck the tweetin faggot Chris Bosh, Miami can have him.

[AMERICAN BONES]

they are all tweetin faggots, even lebron now

[AMERICAN BONES]

A shit load of tan titties

for real this is the answer, wade and bosh are both full of shit, if they really wanted to win they would come to chicago or NJ and play with guys like rose, noah, deng, devin harris, brooke lopez and derrick favors, instead theyre gonna play with beasley and chalmers lol, look how full of shit wade is

"There was a time there when things kind of swung and it played on my emotions a lot," said Wade, who has two young sons and is going through a difficult divorce. "I'm a family-oriented person. You want to be the best dad possible, you want to have every moment with your kids. But I couldn't make this an emotional decision. I had to take myself out of it.

Sources told Yahoo Sports that Wade and Bosh spoke with James on the phone early Wednesday, told him of their plans and are trying to recruit him to join them in Miami. James didn't commit, a source said, but Wade and Bosh "think they've got a real chance to pull this off with LeBron."

"It's no secret we're all good friends, but we all make our own decisions," Wade said during the ESPN interview.

Wade called the decision to reject the Bulls' offer "very difficult."

"I tear up a little bit right now just thinking about the opportunity I had," said Wade, who starred at Richards High School and Marquette. "Eventually, of course, it came down to the opportunity I had with Chris and his decision to want to be here in Miami with me.

basically you dont want to have every moment with your kids considering pretty much just gave custody to your ex-wife, and you didnt make you own decision bosh decided for you

[flashNsmash]

now the raps need to go out and make a trade for another dinosaur-lookin' nigga to be the face of the franchise

[AMERICAN BONES]

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5361792
Carlos Boozer is the latest domino to fall, agreeing to a five-year, $80 million contract with the Chicago Bulls, a source close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher on Wednesday.

Boozer follows agreements by premier free agents Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami, Amare Stoudemire with the Knicks and Joe Johnson in Atlanta.

The Bulls are still in the running for LeBron James, who is going to make an announcement Thursday on ESPN. But Chicago would have to do some creative financing to fit the superstar under the cap after this deal.

Boozer average 19.5 points and 11.2 rebounds per game for the Utah Jazz last season, his sixth with the team. In his eight-year career, he has averaged 17.2 points and 10.2 rebounds per contest.

Boozer's name has come up in trade discussions involving the Bulls numerous times over the past few years.

[AMERICAN BONES]

ill take boozer, now we need a SG, maybe ray allen or monta ellis, then a shooter like korver or mike miller to come off the bench and were gonna be pretty damn good

[SexeCute]

Don't feel bad AMERICAN, Boozer is a damn good player. I could see Chicago flirting with 50 wins next year with him and one more solid player added.

[SexeCute]

The only prediction I missed was Joe Johnson. I guess he has 120 million reasons as to why he stays in Atlanta, knowing he will never win big or have to do shit again...

[American Born Jr]

either im an idiot, or professional athletes are all dumb as fuck


why would wade stay in miami? even with bosh, that team will not be good. they will end up needing an open tryout just to fill the roster with jabronees. he passed up playing for a good team, good money, and custody of his children to play with bosh in miami. just doesnt register

in terms of the bulls, i dont like boozer, but i dont mind the pick up. like AB said, we need a 2 guard. korver would be a good pickup. and they still have a lot of money left. im hoping for another good pickup.

[SuperNatural]

No state tax and South Beach

[American Born Jr]

his kids > south beach, or at least thats what one would think

[SuperNatural]

I dont think you guys should worry, you have a great young team

[Buckner1986]

I'm assuming the no state income tax was the real gamebreaker here. Now Wade and Bosh take less than the max and aren't penalized as much and the Heat get to go after LeBron. But IMO, if they were smart they would get a guy like David Lee and some complimentary players to build some depth.

[American Born Jr]

I'm assuming the no state income tax was the real gamebreaker here. Now Wade and Bosh take less than the max and aren't penalized as much and the Heat get to go after LeBron. But IMO, if they were smart they would get a guy like David Lee and some complimentary players to build some depth.

that team has so few players right now that even if they added another big name, they wouldnt have the money to make it a great team. outside of the 3 big names, theyd be a joke

[American Born Jr]

I dont think you guys should worry, you have a great young team

im not worried. i was just hoping we got bosh/wade, bosh/lebron

[sher-bant]

What are the chances of Lebron going to the Bulls? 10%?

[American Born Jr]

What are the chances of Lebron going to the Bulls? 10%?

there is no way to tell you old bastard. the whole country is on his dick and nobody but him knows what he plans on doing

[SuperNatural]

Im guessing he stays

[Buckner1986]

I'd say it's

60% Cleveland
30% New York
10% Chicago

[HendoStu]

He'll come to Toronto so he can pay higher income tax and have access to our government funded health care. You know how those Black folks love all things government funded!

[American Born Jr]

heres the breakdown

if he wants money, cleveland
if he wants the best chance at extended success, chicago

[SexeCute]

his kids > south beach, or at least thats what one would think

Too easy.

[___]

heres the breakdown

if he wants money, cleveland
if he wants the best chance at extended success, chicago

Miami?

[Ryno]

He wants a ring. Miami is his best shot but I don't think he want to share the spotlight. He wants to be the one who carries the team. Maybe New York?

[Tupac Shakira]

Who whats the new news? Bosch and Wade in Miami for sure and prolly Knicks or Bulls for Lebron. Excuse my ignorance.

[Ryno]

I don't think he'll go to the bulls. Too much pressure IMO.

[Ryno]

I'm thinking either New York or he'll stay in Cleveland.

[Tupac Shakira]

OK but Wade and Bosche are def in Miami?

[SuperNatural]

Who whats the new news? Bosch and Wade in Miami for sure and prolly Knicks or Bulls for Lebron. Excuse my ignorance.

Nothing new really, we will find out tomorrow

[SuperNatural]

OK but Wade and Bosche are def in Miami?

si

[Ryno]

OK but Wade and Bosche are def in Miami?
Yup.

[Kimo Therabones]

word from espn is that hes going to miami

[pflo]

LOL AB set himself up for a huge disappointment in this thread.

Boozer....hahahahaha

[AMERICAN BONES]

boozer is pretty good and he fills the biggest hole we have, now we have money to add 3-4 more solid guys and sharpshooters, were gonna have a great starting 5 and a deep bench, im not too worried

[Muscle Faggot]

word from espn is that hes going to miami

I hope he does,the meltdown will be epic.If Lebron was smart he would have signed with Chicago who HAVE A TEAM.People are already talking about the Miami super trio lololololololol,oh how many players do they have signed ? dont they have to sign a bunch of cans just to have a team?

[AMERICAN BONES]

they have 5 guys on their roster right now, wade, bosh, chalmers, beasley, and some scrub big man joel anthony, they also have 4 unsigned rookies

[Muscle Faggot]

they have 5 guys on their roster right now, wade, bosh, chalmers, beasley, and some scrub big man joel anthony, they also have 4 unsigned rookies
:roflnut:
:roflnut::roflnut:

[Muscle Faggot]

Lebron will be gotten to @ 9:00 PM eastern tonight and the boys and girls club will get a few ping pong tables.

[pflo]

boozer is pretty good and he fills the biggest hole we have, now we have money to add 3-4 more solid guys and sharpshooters, were gonna have a great starting 5 and a deep bench, im not too worried

Yeah but from Lebron and Bosh to Boozer and 3 or 4 solid guys is huge fall. Welcome Jazz town windy city, lol.

[AMERICAN BONES]

its dissapointing, but we just became one of the top teams in the east, i wouldnt call it a fail

[sher-bant]

I'm gonna LOL/jump for joy when Lebron dons the Chicago Bulls hat tonight.