Vera vs. Jardine at UFC 89

[El Duce]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4872/keith-jardine-says-hes-fighting-brandon-vera-at-ufc-89.mma

Vera will destroy him.

[finnegan]

Jardine via well-executed gameplan victory.

[El Duce]

I don't see how Jardine can win, his striking isn't as good, Vera has an excellent chin, Jardine can't take him down, if he does, Vera has a much better ground game. Vera has a big reach advantage etc...

[Piranesi]

Jardine UD.

[finnegan]

Jardine is in much better shape than Vera. He is stronger and in better condition. I forsee him scoring points once Vera gets tired and winning 29-28 UD or split decision.

[El Duce]

Jardine is in much better shape than Vera. He is stronger and in better condition. I forsee him scoring points once Vera gets tired and winning 29-28 UD or split decision.

Vera wont get tired, he will KO Jardine in the first, or at least rock him then sub him. He looked bad against Reese cause of the weight cut, he'll be used to it next time, and do it smarter.

[super hot]

Vera is not that good. Let his hype go away.

[El Duce]

Nobody agrees with me, but I honestly believe Vera can be champ at 205.

[Piranesi]

Vera is not that good. Let his hype go away.
QFT!!

[AMERICAN BONES]

damn, i wanted to see vera vs wand at 90

[finnegan]

Guys like Vera are the exact reason there needs to be a 225 weight class. He is skin and bone, has lost what little muscle he had, and still had to cut at least 10lbs of water, probably 15. He can't hang w/ the heavies, and is just too big to make it to 205 and be effective.

[super hot]

Guys like Vera are the exact reason there needs to be a 225 weight class. He is skin and bone, has lost what little muscle he had, and still had to cut at least 10lbs of water, probably 15. He can't hang w/ the heavies, and is just too big to make it to 205 and be effective.Fedor would own that division as well.

[Elk Penis]

Jardine's kryptonite is bum rushing him like Silva and Houston did. I don't think Vera's equipped to do that. Vera looks to counter-punch a lot, which is hard to do vs Jardine, because he's good at sticking and moving and he has a weird herky-jerky style that's hard to time. Jardine will be in better shape, have faster hands, and have better footwork.

Vera might be better on the ground, but I'm not sure. That's probably his best chance. I have no idea how good Jardine is on the ground - we never see him there. Also, Vera probably has an advantage in the clinch.

If Vera bum rushes him out of the gate, and either rocks him or tackles him to the ground, he has a chance of winning. If he tries to box, Jardine will leg kick and jab the shit out of him. Jardine needs to stay out of the clinch and off his back, and he should win. Vera needs to get it done in the first round or early second round, because Jardine's gas tank is going to be a lot better - unless Vera goes for the lnp strategy (which might work pretty well).

[Elk Penis]

Guys like Vera are the exact reason there needs to be a 225 weight class. He is skin and bone, has lost what little muscle he had, and still had to cut at least 10lbs of water, probably 15. He can't hang w/ the heavies, and is just too big to make it to 205 and be effective.

Not only that, when he was fighting against the heavier guys he used his superior speed to win a fight (and maybe superior endurance, but we never saw that out of him). Now he's fighting quicker guys with equal to or better endurance.

He can't use the same style he's been using against the bigger slower guys against the smaller quicker guys. He needs to retool his game, make some adjustments. Before he needed to avoid being bullied in the ring, and now he needs to be the bully. Not only does he have to deal with a weight cut that right now is awkward for him, but he needs to make a change in the way he fights.

[TONY BONES]

Jardine's kryptonite is bum rushing him like Silva and Houston did. I don't think Vera's equipped to do that. Vera looks to counter-punch a lot, which is hard to do vs Jardine, because he's good at sticking and moving and he has a weird herky-jerky style that's hard to time. Jardine will be in better shape, have faster hands, and have better footwork.

Vera might be better on the ground, but I'm not sure. That's probably his best chance. I have no idea how good Jardine is on the ground - we never see him there. Also, Vera probably has an advantage in the clinch.

If Vera bum rushes him out of the gate, and either rocks him or tackles him to the ground, he has a chance of winning. If he tries to box, Jardine will leg kick and jab the shit out of him. Jardine needs to stay out of the clinch and off his back, and he should win. Vera needs to get it done in the first round or early second round, because Jardine's gas tank is going to be a lot better - unless Vera goes for the lnp strategy (which might work pretty well).

reps

[finnegan]

Fedor would own that division as well.
Agreed. I think he'd Bas it and stay 2 lbs over the limit just so he could fight the 265ers and occasionally float down for a 225 fight if it looked good. He fucks the big boy up the best. Most of his decisions come from the lighter heavies around his weight (Mirko, Nog)

[Twincest]

Jardine's kryptonite is bum rushing him like Silva and Houston did. I don't think Vera's equipped to do that. Vera looks to counter-punch a lot, which is hard to do vs Jardine, because he's good at sticking and moving and he has a weird herky-jerky style that's hard to time. Jardine will be in better shape, have faster hands, and have better footwork.

Vera might be better on the ground, but I'm not sure. That's probably his best chance. I have no idea how good Jardine is on the ground - we never see him there. Also, Vera probably has an advantage in the clinch.

If Vera bum rushes him out of the gate, and either rocks him or tackles him to the ground, he has a chance of winning. If he tries to box, Jardine will leg kick and jab the shit out of him. Jardine needs to stay out of the clinch and off his back, and he should win. Vera needs to get it done in the first round or early second round, because Jardine's gas tank is going to be a lot better - unless Vera goes for the lnp strategy (which might work pretty well).

i agree with pretty much all of this (100% w. the bum rushing comment), and am actually excited about this match 'cause i think Vera's only chance is to take it to the ground and i'm dying to see what Jardine's got there - unless Vera gets KO'd muy pronto.

and i actually suspect that Jardine surprises the fuck outta all of us w. his ground game. training nonstop w. Rashad, Marquardt, and GSP the past year or two has to to teach you a thing or two about grappling.

[Piranesi]

Jardine is sick on the ground, FYI.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Give me Jardine by UD. Who has Vera beat that's any good? Or for that matter, even quality?

[Flexwave2003]

Vera was given a guy he should have mauled in his 205 debut and he went to a lack luster decision.

Good thread, with some good responses.

[Mr. Dead Sexy]

Seriously, if you want to look at Vera's fights


Scherner - Big guy, glass chin. Journeyman at best.

Eilers - One huge KO in the UFC. Against Mike Kyle. Always KO'ed in the first round in his other 4? fights there.

Assuerio - His best win IMO. But he's waaay too inconsistent to really consider him a quality win.

Mir - This was within the year of him coming back from his bike accident. He's easily 5x a better fighter than he was at this point. Hell, PdP Cruz KO'ed him this year.

Sylvia - Showed why he can't contend with the big boys in the HWs. Was pushed against the fence probably 13 minutes. And there went the hype.

Werdum - May have shown a weak ground game. He was defending well from the mount before he got Mirgliotta'ed, though. Not that he should be giving up the mount in the first place, but Werdum is a sick mother.

Andy - Who? This was supposed to be a squash match. Instead, yawn match. This was
his first fight at 205, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was drained.


I'm not trying to make it sound like I have an axe to grind or anything, but Vera is really more the product of hype as much as he is talent. He was a good HW because of the shallow HW division. He has plenty of potential, though.

[Flexwave2003]

Mirgliotta'ed.

The worst ref Ive ever seen in the big leagues. After the Kimbo fight, he seems to have went MIA? Thank god for that. I hope I never see that ass bag again to tell you the truth.

[Piranesi]

He torqued his shoulder stopping one of the EXC fights.

[Bang Bang]

vera - I believe all of what I see and none of the hype

thus Im going with jardine. but hes inconsistent too so hell...

[Halfway]

I hope Jardine KO's Vera's big fucking mouth off his fucking face. And I hate Jardine.