GSP = Cheater?

[Red Beard]

http://www.cagepotato.com/bj-penns-camp-files-formal-complaint-over-vaseline-st-pierres-back-between-rounds

Seems like BJ has a legitamate complaint against GSP's corner.

[Tsar]

not sure i believe the rumor.

[Red Beard]

was not a rumor. Dana saw it happen

[Nutstache]

Does he also complain about all those punches and elbows he ate?

[SexeCute]

Even if there was, BJ was never in any position to get on GSP's back.

[SexeCute]

BJ Penn is trying to make his whiny faggotry reach new levels.

[Red Beard]

Even if there was, BJ was never in any position to get on GSP's back.

no, but a high/rubber guard would be extremely difficult to utilize with someone's back covered in Vaseline, and bj had difficulty using it.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Damn what a whiney faggot

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

no, but a high/rubber guard would be extremely difficult to utilize with someone's back covered in Vaseline, and bj had difficulty using it.

I shit myself.

[super hot]

This doesn't surprise me coming from a french canadian queer

[heathenos]

gsp is a cheating faggot.

[Tsar]

did anyone hear anything about this during the fight? surely joe rogan would have mentioned it? is there a video of dana's comments from the post-fight presser?

the article doesn't appear to have a named author.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Yeah it seems to be quite a shoddy "source"

[super hot]

Good performance by GSP. But beating a 155lber and getting knocked out by a can three fights before won't make you P4P #1.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

mmaweekly has something up about it as well but it says gsp was wiped down too

[SexeCute]

Yeah it seems to be quite a shoddy "source"

Dana White also said he was grossed out by BJ giving BJ's to all of his cornermen in between rounds. Look, here is the source;

www.mmawebsite.com

"Yeah, fucking BJ was giving blowjobs out in between fucking rounds. Fuck!" -Dana White

[super hot]

That black dude in GSP's corner looked like he wanted to give GSP a hand job in between rounds.

[Holic]

It would explain why Penn's legs kept sliding off GSP's shoulders. Plus, the athletic commission already is aware and reprimanded the corner, so this could very well lead to something.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

GSP won, end of story

[Red Beard]

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[heathenos]

Good performance by GSP. But beating a 155lber and getting knocked out by a can three fights before won't make you P4P #1.

agreed. now he needs to fight someone his size, like A.Silva if he wants to prove himself.

[Red Beard]

It would explain why Penn's legs kept sliding off GSP's shoulders. Plus, the athletic commission already is aware and reprimanded the corner, so this could very well lead to something.

my point exactly. this won't change the outcome of the fight, but it will definitely cast a dark cloud over this victory

[SexeCute]

my point exactly. this won't change the outcome of the fight, but it will definitely cast a dark cloud over this victory

No, it really won't. BJ Penn was destroyed in every aspect.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Looks clear and bright to me, he completely dominated BJ Penn

[Tsar]

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woops. that does look pretty bad.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

No, it really won't. BJ Penn was destroyed in every aspect.

Isn't it pathetic how even after an ass beating the likes of which GSP gave BJ that BJ Penn fans will still say anything they can?

[super hot]

Penn was robbed. He clearly wanted to continue the fight. IMHO, he would have knocked GSP out in the 5th round. He was just waiting for GSP to tire himself out. I would demand an immediate rematch if I were Penn.

[Tsar]

that corner man should be sanctioned.

[SexeCute]

Penn was robbed. He clearly wanted to continue the fight. IMHO, he would have knocked GSP out in the 5th round. He was just waiting for GSP to tire himself out. I would demand an immediate rematch if I were Penn.

I would love to see another beatdown. :cheers:

[Red Beard]

that corner man should be sanctioned.

that is the likely outcome of this. nothing more they can do about it.

[Holic]

my point exactly. this won't change the outcome of the fight, but it will definitely cast a dark cloud over this victory

Actually it could very well turn the victory into a no contest. BJ's corner can argue that their whole strategy for winning was to pull guard and catch the wrestler in a sub, and the vaseline prevented this. Think about it: round 2 was exactly when GSP took over and started dominating. Since that's when the incident happened, they've got a solid case.

[super hot]

GSP should have his licensed revoked. If they sanctioned Margarito for his tape job they should do the same here.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

lol just lol

[Red Beard]

Actually it could very well turn the victory into a no contest. BJ's corner can argue that their whole strategy for winning was to pull guard and catch the wrestler in a sub, and the vaseline prevented this. Think about it: round 2 was exactly when GSP took over and started dominating. Since that's when the incident happened, they've got a solid case.

yeah, and i was wondering why he could not keep a high guard like should be able to. but, it's very hard to get fight decisions overturned....

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Actually it could very well turn the victory into a no contest. BJ's corner can argue that their whole strategy for winning was to pull guard and catch the wrestler in a sub, and the vaseline prevented this. Think about it: round 2 was exactly when GSP took over and started dominating. Since that's when the incident happened, they've got a solid case.

He was wiped down between rounds by the commission

[P 2 Tha Mofo J]

how lame. gsp is still the better fighter anyways

[SexeCute]

Actually it could very well turn the victory into a no contest. BJ's corner can argue that their whole strategy for winning was to pull guard and catch the wrestler in a sub, and the vaseline prevented this. Think about it: round 2 was exactly when GSP took over and started dominating. Since that's when the incident happened, they've got a solid case.

No. They wiped down GSP after that and let the fight continue. Had they decided he was cheating then, they would have stopped it completely.

[Holic]

GSP should have his licensed revoked. If they sanctioned Margarito for his tape job they should do the same here.

I dunno about that, but didn't this happen with Saku and whatshisname over in asiatown awhile back? That led to a whole national outcry.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Nothing's going to come of it, GSP dominated BJ at every aspect. The fight won't be overturned, and they won't have a rematch because BJ would just get his ass beat again.

[Tsar]

that is the likely outcome of this. nothing more they can do about it.

yep. especially since GSP was toweled off.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

No. They wiped down GSP after that and let the fight continue. Had they decided he was cheating then, they would have stopped it completely.

quoting Execute for truth here

[super hot]

Alves is going to ko GSP

[Tsar]

Nothing's going to come of it, GSP dominated BJ at every aspect. The fight won't be overturned, and they won't have a rematch because BJ would just get his ass beat again.

i don't think fans will want to pay for (or illegally stream) a re-match any time soon. then again, dana white is probably planning bonnar-griffin III as we speak.

[SexeCute]

Alves is going to ko GSP

I would like to see that. Alves is a beast.

[Holic]

No. They wiped down GSP after that and let the fight continue. Had they decided he was cheating then, they would have stopped it completely.

They missed a spot.

:cheers:

[Tsar]

No. They wiped down GSP after that and let the fight continue. Had they decided he was cheating then, they would have stopped it completely.

fedor greases. everyone knows it.

[P 2 Tha Mofo J]

Alves is going to get taken down and pounded on for five rounds by GSP

fixed

[SexeCute]

fedor greases. everyone knows it.

That's why he beat AA. Sorry, I am trying to sound like BJ Penn's fans.

[P 2 Tha Mofo J]

That's why he beat AA. Sorry, I am trying to sound like BJ Penn's fans.

that fight seems so long ago now

[Tsar]

That's why he beat AA. Sorry, I am trying to sound like BJ Penn's *fans.

*camp

[Red Beard]

fedor greases. everyone knows it.

:rofl:

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I'm enjoying the desperate scrambling for excuses of the Penn fans to be honest

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

"gsp was greased head to toe with vaseline and canola oil his corner clearly rubbed sticks of butter on his gloves which made his jabs and leg kicks land more effectively"

[JamesArk]

Jesus fucking christ, GSP is better, give it up B.J.

This shit is getting fucking annoying.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

During a post-fight appearance on ESPN’s MMA Live St-Pierre explained that one of his trainers applied Vaseline to his face between the first and second rounds then rubbed his back with the same hand between the second and third rounds, accidentally applying some remaining Vaseline to his back. An NSAC official who witnessed the transfer had the Vaseline immediately wiped off with a towel.

Little is likely to come of the complaint as St-Pierre was already dominating Penn prior to the incident and the substance was immediately removed, ensuring that it had no effect on the bout’s outcome, however we’ll pass along more information on the situation when it becomes available
Makes more sense than GSP was purposely greased down with an entire jar of vaseline

[JamesArk]

Waah, that decision was bullshit.
Waaah, I pulled my rib.
Waaaah, Sherk is a roider.
Waaaaaah, he's slippery.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

It really doesn't cast any negative shadow on his win over BJ. I mean he completely dominated him, and it wasn't even close at any point during the fight.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Jesus fucking christ, GSP is better, give it up B.J.

This shit is getting fucking annoying.
GSP could have finished him in the first round and there would still be excuses going around james. That's how BJ Penn's fans are. They think if they find an excuse and latch onto it then it's like BJ never really lost.

[SatNav]

I love BJ, but this is BS

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Interesting.

[HHJ]

wtf were they thinking
shit is plain as day

[HHJ]

No. They wiped down GSP after that and let the fight continue. Had they decided he was cheating then, they would have stopped it completely.

good point

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

also HHJ
During a post-fight appearance on ESPN’s MMA Live St-Pierre explained that one of his trainers applied Vaseline to his face between the first and second rounds then rubbed his back with the same hand between the second and third rounds, accidentally applying some remaining Vaseline to his back. An NSAC official who witnessed the transfer had the Vaseline immediately wiped off with a towel.

Little is likely to come of the complaint as St-Pierre was already dominating Penn prior to the incident and the substance was immediately removed, ensuring that it had no effect on the bout’s outcome, however we’ll pass along more information on the situation when it becomes available
Really to me it sounds like an error on a cornerman's part more than anything. It's not like he was dabbing a shit ton of vaseline on him, and fighters get rubbed between fights. They wiped him down too so it would have no effect, and like execute said they would have stopped it if they thought he was cheating.

[HHJ]

well if they wiped it down...

honestly i dont think bj had a chance anyway but i hate to see such an epic performance tainted by this

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

penn's camp and his fans can go fuck themselves, he got owned and I'm sure GSP would be glad to do it again but thats not what they want, they just want to be whiney faggots after the fact.

[HHJ]

after all the shit he talked
he got dominated standing and on the ground

he should stay at 155 for the rest of his career

[Saska]

It was wiped off immediately for fuck sakes, this is nothing but sore losers trying to make something out of nothing. I wouldn't be worried of any repercussions in the least bit, nice try though.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

saska gets reps

[The Deadman]

Internet people are stupid

[Elk Penis]

Just to start shit, here's a more in depth article with more comments from Penn's camp, saying GSP did it against Serra and in the first Penn fight - LOL

http://www.insidefighting.com/latest-news/penn-camp-alleges-illegal-tactics-will-file-complaint

:popcorn:

[HHJ]

way to lose with dignity

[Hektik]

there will be more to this than we think.

[Hektik]

i'm not making excuses but you could tell BJ was getting pissed when the rubber guard kept slipping.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

There's nothing more to it than there already is Hektik. Look at the last few posts I made. That's the most likely reason and BJ Penn, his camp and his fans want something more to be made of it. But there won't be. He was thoroughly dominated.

[HHJ]

i'm not making excuses but you could tell BJ was getting pissed when the rubber guard kept slipping.

yeah i noticed that,and i thought it was cos of the sweat

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

i'm not making excuses but you could tell BJ was getting pissed when the rubber guard kept slipping.

Hektik, they wiped him down as soon as it occured.

[Hektik]

There's nothing more to it than there already is Hektik. Look at the last few posts I made. That's the most likely reason and BJ Penn, his camp and his fans want something more to be made of it. But there won't be. He was thoroughly dominated.

BJ got fucking worked but shit is going to fly because of this whether you like BJ, hate BJ, like GSP or hate GSP. Applying vasoline to the back is retarded and is CHEATING

[Hektik]

Hektik, they wiped him down as soon as it occured.

have you ever tried to whipe vaseline off of your back with a few strokes of a towel? it doesn't come off like that

[Hektik]

yeah i noticed that,and i thought it was cos of the sweat

Sweat+vaseline= death for a BJJ guy. That shit is hard to get off.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

yeah i noticed that,and i thought it was cos of the sweat

Are you a BJ Penn fan or what HHJ? Damn man, you all need to get the fuck over it already. Not you directly but everybody whining and thinking this is going to change how that fight went. It was an epic domination by GSP, but BJ Penn fans have once again latched onto one minute meaningless thing in the hopes that somehow it excuses Penn for losing like he did.

[Hektik]

im not trying to argue but facts are facts. no way did that towel whipe make GSP un greased.

[Hektik]

and yes, GSP completely killed BJ

[Hektik]

as far as Dana saying it wasn't GSP's fault, it was. he knew it was going on and he knew the rules.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

And Hektik was going for BJ anyway so of course he's going to wax poetic on the subject. Say whatever you want Hek, not going to change a damn thing. Dominated, that's what BJ got.

[Hektik]

And Hektik was going for BJ anyway so of course he's going to wax poetic on the subject. Say whatever you want Hek, not going to change a damn thing. Dominated, that's what BJ got.

i said that numerous times =(

[Hektik]

but from an unbiased standpoint, if there is one, GSP cheated, and that's that.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

so one cornerman fucks up slightly and its immediately taken care of and all of a sudden that's the reason GSP outclassed BJ at every aspect of the game? Nigga please, you're all so butthurt it's amazing.

[Hektik]

i don't think it will get overturned, expect mucho fines.

[Hektik]

so one cornerman fucks up slightly and its immediately taken care of and all of a sudden that's the reason GSP outclassed BJ at every aspect of the game? Nigga please, you're all so butthurt it's amazing.

lol if he did it then the whole corner knew about it and so did GSP! I SAID GSP WHOOPED BJ'S ASS

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Now I want to see GSP beat the shit out of BJ again just to see what the next pathetic half-assed excuse will be.

[Red Beard]

Hektik, they wiped him down as soon as it occured.

oh yeah, cuz we all know that vasaline comes off just as easily as it's applied

:rolleyes:

[Hektik]

so one cornerman fucks up slightly and its immediately taken care of and all of a sudden that's the reason GSP outclassed BJ at every aspect of the game? Nigga please, you're all so butthurt it's amazing.

it was NOT taken care of. do me a favor and go put vaseline on your back, then go get a good sweat going and have someone lightly brush your back with a towel as you sweat more and see how fucking slippery you are, then come here and talk about how it didn't affect shit, please.

[Hektik]

You can't tell me that the vaseline came off with that towel whipe from the commissioner.

[Hektik]

rules is rules mang

[Hektik]

i hope they don't fight again cause i don't want to see BJ get whooped again =(

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

And you also can't tell me it was purposely applied and not just the mental error on a part of a cornerman. It wasn't a shitload of vaseline Hektik. He was wiped down several times after he was wiped down the first time.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

i hope they don't fight again cause i don't want to see BJ get whooped again =(

That's exactly what would happen but I'm sure you bj penn fans would find another excuse to desperately clutch to your bosom

[Hektik]

And you also can't tell me it was purposely applied and not just the mental error on a part of a cornerman. It wasn't a shitload of vaseline Hektik. He was wiped down several times after he was wiped down the first time.

dude it was purposely applied. and one little finger full of vaseline can cover a whole body, come on alex, you know this. be unbiased for one moment. that vaseline probably is still on his fucking back today.

[Holic]

And you also can't tell me it was purposely applied and not just the mental error on a part of a cornerman. It wasn't a shitload of vaseline Hektik. He was wiped down several times after he was wiped down the first time.

"Mental error"

Whoops, got some vaseline on my hands. How did that care.

Whoops, caught his shoulder.

Whoops, sorry, was that your back?

:rofl:

[Hektik]

That's exactly what would happen but I'm sure you bj penn fans would find another excuse to desperately clutch to your bosom

no, BJ got worked, BJ would get worked again but rules is rules. i'm not saying it affected the outcome of the fight, i'm saying they cheated, there is no way GSP didn't know and there is no way his whole corner didn't know.

hey man what are you rubbing on his back? what is that stuff? thats not how that went down.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Hektik you sound idiotic and that's not you. Just get over it. GSP won emphatically, and he'd do it again.

[Hektik]

"Mental error"

Whoops, got some vaseline on my hands. How did that care.

Whoops, caught his shoulder.

Whoops, sorry, was that your back?

:rofl:

exactly.

[HHJ]

"Mental error"

Whoops, got some vaseline on my hands. How did that care.

Whoops, caught his shoulder.

Whoops, sorry, was that your back?

:rofl:

well he got caught up
gsp is a pretty good lookin dude

[Hektik]

Hektik you sound idiotic and that's not you. Just get over it. GSP won emphatically, and he'd do it again.

We'll see what happens when the commission decides.

[Hektik]

you know i enjoy a good debate with you, WR.

[Nutstache]

I favour a rematch with no cornering whatsoever.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

You all are doing everything you can to take away the fact GSP dominated BJ and won. Like I said time and time again, it's what BJ Penn fans do. Any loss he's ever had or will have can be "justified" by finding an excuse and bringing it up continuously no matter how ignorant or inaccurate it is.

[HHJ]

im gonna wait by the airport to get the blow by blow

[Hektik]

You all are doing everything you can to take away the fact GSP dominated BJ and won. Like I said time and time again, it's what BJ Penn fans do. Any loss he's ever had or will have can be "justified" by finding an excuse and bringing it up continuously no matter how ignorant or inaccurate it is.

i said 5 times now GSP dominated and would dominate him again.....

[Hektik]

Jon Jones didn't have to grease to beat Bonnar.

[Elk Penis]

GSP's corner didn't complain about BJ getting extra lube on his face before the fight:

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[Hektik]

Jon Jones is the real story of UFC 94.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

What's fucking shitty is you trying to put GSP at fault for what happened. He's sitting there, in a fucking fight surrounded by probably 15,000 fans trying to listen to 2-3 cornermen while he gets rubbed down/treated. You just look damn stupid trying to place the blame on him. It's bad enough the blame happens to be a discrepancy that was immediately taken care of, but to put the blame on GSP? Come the fuck on.

[Hektik]

What's fucking shitty is you trying to put GSP at fault for what happened. He's sitting there, in a fucking fight surrounded by probably 15,000 fans trying to listen to 2-3 cornermen while he gets rubbed down/treated. You just look damn stupid trying to place the blame on him. It's bad enough the blame happens to be a discrepancy that was immediately taken care of, but to put the blame on GSP? Come the fuck on.

It's not all his fault, it's the whole corner and the fighter, he obviously knew someone was rubbing shit on his back. come on now.

[HHJ]

It's not all his fault, it's the whole corner and the fighter, he obviously knew someone was rubbing shit on his back. come on now.

he did not
your a liar!
hektik's a liar!

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Really the best way to sum it up is that you all need to get the fuck over it. BJ needs to stay at lightweight. I'm positive GSP would have not the slightest problem beating the shit out of him again, but that's not what the people making these claims want. They just want to tarnish an amazing showing by GSP.

[JamesArk]

As a big GSP fan...that shit is pretty illegal. That being said, if Penn had greased up GSP would have still fucked his ass till it bled.

Thank god this fight wasn't in California or the CSAC would've ruled it a NC, banned GSP for 5 years and cut off his cornerman's fingers.

[JamesArk]

double post

"If you double post, you're a bitch"

[HHJ]

even if gsp was greased to the 9s,bj couldnt do dick against him

DICK

[Hektik]

Really the best way to sum it up is that you all need to get the fuck over it. BJ needs to stay at lightweight. I'm positive GSP would have not the slightest problem beating the shit out of him again, but that's not what the people making these claims want. They just want to tarnish an amazing showing by GSP.

GSP wins 9/10 times. BJ never needs to fight at anything but LW again. If he does I will NEVER EVER root for him again. GSP did look fucking amazing, i'm worried for Alves, if he doesn't catch GSP fast and stuff the TD then he is fFFUUUUUCKED

[HHJ]

10/10

[gumby]

GSP v Andy Silva.

There is no other choice.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Whining like sad little petulant bitches isn't going to change the outcome of the fight, BJ and his camp having zero class and dignity isn't going to change the outcome of the fight. GSP won, get the fuck over it, end.
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[Hektik]

GSP decision

[Hektik]

Whining like sad little petulant bitches isn't going to change the outcome of the fight, BJ and his camp having zero class and dignity isn't going to change the outcome of the fight. GSP won, get the fuck over it, end.
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for the 10th time....gsp dominated BJ

[JamesArk]

GSP would pass Anderson's guard like fucking butter.

[Hektik]

GSP would pass Anderson's guard like fucking butter.

Probably but shit, just make the fight happen.

[gumby]

Whining like sad little petulant bitches isn't going to change the outcome of the fight, BJ and his camp having zero class and dignity isn't going to change the outcome of the fight. GSP won, get the fuck over it, end.
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you're the only one talking about it

[JamesArk]

Probably but shit, just make the fight happen.

Alves + 1 more WW title defense at least IMO

[gumby]

If he beats Alves we need to see GSP v Silva, before Silva leaves the game.

[Ravishing "Rick" Tater]

Holy crap BJ Penn gets demolished and there is an excuse .

[Hektik]

you're the only one talking about it

lol, THANK YOU

[piedra]

BJ should complain with any animal rights association about the beating he received, I'm glad that fucker got what he deserved.

[SuperNatural]

GSP dominated BJ the entire fight, just fucking deal with it

[gumby]

GSP did not dominate the first round.

[SuperNatural]

GSP did not dominate the first round.

GSP dominated BJ in rounds 2 through 4, fucking deal with it.

Better?

[gumby]

GSP dominated BJ in rounds 2 through 4, fucking deal with it.

Better?

Thats what I said on the last page. I take it you didn't even read the thread.

[SuperNatural]

Thats what I said on the last page. I take it you didn't even read the thread.

I was just fixing it, no hostility and no I didnt.

[mr_yamamoto]

the vaunted ground game--eet does nothing!!1

[gumby]

I was just fixing it, no hostility and no I didnt.

lol, actually it was in another thread. My bad.

[pflo]

Calm down gumby.

[gumby]

Calm down gumby.

:confused:

[Hektik]

calm down uncle paulie

[Red Beard]

impression of gsp?

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[Decommissioner]

Please go back to Kvolcom

[Holic]

impression of gsp?

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That was Matt Hamil and you know it.

[JamesArk]

That was Matt Hamil and you know it.

+ / - Balogne sandwiches

[Red Beard]

Please go back to Kvolcom

:uhoh:

[stulecanem]

Good performance by GSP. But beating a 155lber and getting knocked out by a can three fights before won't make you P4P #1.

Oops, looks liked I negged the wrong post.

[maxthesilent]

as far as Dana saying it wasn't GSP's fault, it was. he knew it was going on and he knew the rules.


you've clearly never competed before


all you're doing is listening to the trainer and visualizing the fight - everything else is background noise

[maxthesilent]

If he beats Alves we need to see GSP v Silva, before Silva leaves the game.

Silva/Lietes and Silva/Okami - Okami has been promised a fight by Dana

GSP/Alves and GSP/? (if GSP wins)

so early 2010 if it were to happen methinks

[Scorpipede]

Interesting.

it looks like an intro to gay porn.

[Scorpipede]

And you also can't tell me it was purposely applied and not just the mental error on a part of a cornerman. It wasn't a shitload of vaseline Hektik. He was wiped down several times after he was wiped down the first time.

at the beginning of the first round GSP does a similar thing with his two hands, one on chest and one behind on his back I'm not exactly sure what he was doing. Slight massaging to a sore area or something. Mental mistake by the cornerman, next conspiracy theory as to why BJ lost please.

[Snacks]

GSP is a fucking cheat.

[Scorpipede]

GSP is a fucking cheat.

and you're an internet legend.

[Snacks]

and you're an internet legend.

That I am.

[___]

did anyone hear anything about this during the fight? surely joe rogan would have mentioned it? is there a video of dana's comments from the post-fight presser?

the article doesn't appear to have a named author.

A guy I know in Vegas said that it was a pretty big deal around there and that someone asked about it during the post fight interviews and nobody would answer.

You all are doing everything you can to take away the fact GSP dominated BJ and won. Like I said time and time again, it's what BJ Penn fans do. Any loss he's ever had or will have can be "justified" by finding an excuse and bringing it up continuously no matter how ignorant or inaccurate it is.

From BJ's trainer . . .

“I’m not trying to make excuses for BJ’s loss…he took a lot of hits and St. Pierre was the better man that night but the extra cheating is bad for the sport.”

[Decommissioner]

WTB 1.5 mill vcash

[___]

I started with 100k, but have made the rest in the past 2 months or so.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

whatever wig you just suck off ramius whenever you need a few mil

[___]

OK

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

A guy I know in Vegas said that it was a pretty big deal around there and that someone asked about it during the post fight interviews and nobody would answer.



From BJ's trainer . . .

sounds like bj's trainer is butthurt and so are penn's fans, and yes he is making excuses

next excuse please
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[Hektik]

lol wr let's go dropkick decommisioner

[Decommissioner]

then you 2 can give each other reacharounds

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

look at that, cracked right in the face

dominated on the ground and standing, forced to quit in his corner before the 5th like a chump. GSP made BJ look like a fucking scrub, now he gets to go back down to lightweight and lose to Florian.

[Hektik]

let's tango

[Hektik]

give me your best shot, generic poster #2

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

prepare to be amazed Hektik

[Capn]

whatever wig you just suck off ramius whenever you need a few mil

wig gives good head

[Hektik]

prepare to be amazed Hektik

we shit excellence

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Weren't you supposed to quit the internet for personal reasons? Get back on that ramius.

[Hektik]

lol at decomissioners neg "WR doesn't swallow" come on.

[msubulldogfan1]

This explains everything

[msubulldogfan1]

OK

change your sig up nigga damn

[___]

Too lazy

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zrou28.gif

[Scorpipede]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zrou28.gif

it's clear to me that the vaseline on GSPs back is directly responsible for BJ being unable to defend that strike.

[msubulldogfan1]

that gif brings lols

[Demon Cobras]

Even if there was, BJ was never in any position to get on GSP's back.

His legs would slip while holding guard though, pretty lame of gsp imo.

[maxthesilent]

lol his legs would slip cause GSP can posture like a mofo

[Buckfutts]

agreed. now he needs to fight someone his size, like A.Silva if he wants to prove himself.
I agree

Silva will take his head off

[mr_yamamoto]

I agree

Silva will take his head off

you agree he needs to fight someone his own size by fighting somebody bigger than himself?

you are the biggest pride nuthugger on the internet.

[InternetHero]

This doesn't surprise me coming from a french canadian queer

:rofl:

[Demon Cobras]

lol his legs would slip cause GSP can posture like a mofo

Your right, that plus being covered in Vaseline.

[godzillad]

http://www.fightlinker.com/top-ten-excuses-for-bj-penns-loss.mma

[lefecious]

BJ would've lost anyway, but that doesn't make the greasing ok.

That's a pretty BS move by GSP. And yes, I said GSP. There's no way he didn't know that they were greasing him. You can't have someone rub vaseline on you without feeling it.

You have to punish GSP in this situation. If you only punish the cornerman, then GSP can pick some homeless guy to be his designated greaser and if he gets blackballed after the fight then no big deal, just find another homeless guy.

[Holic]

Thank god this fight wasn't in California or the CSAC would've ruled it a NC, banned GSP for 5 years and cut off his cornerman's fingers.

FYI James, Cali doesn't have any rules to overturn the results of fights. This is why Royce Gracie still has a win over Sakuraba despite failing a post fight drug test. GSP/camp face more danger dealing with the NSAC than anyone else.

[maxthesilent]

FYI James, Cali doesn't have any rules to overturn the results of fights. This is why Royce Gracie still has a win over Sakuraba despite failing a post fight drug test. GSP/camp face more danger dealing with the NSAC than anyone else.

zero times zero is still zero

[Krazypoison]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2cftg0m.gif

[serverbusy?]

lol at the excuses

[Krazypoison]

lol at the excuses

qft!
That little amount of vaseline (which was btw wiped out by the ispectors) didn't change a thing in the fight which was completely dominated by gsp.
I've posted that gif just because i thought it was funny.

[Krazypoison]

bump

http://i39.tinypic.com/2cftg0m.gif

[Red Beard]

lol @ those gifs

[serverbusy?]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2zrou28.gif

[serverbusy?]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2n7kpdl.gif

[___]

lol at the excuses

Personally, I'm not making excuses. BUT, it is still a BS thing to do, and if GSP was so much better that he didn't need the help, why do it at all?

It most likely wouldn't have made a difference, but it could have affected one sweep, or one sub, and that's all Penn would have needed in the beginning of the fight.

Everyone is saying it wouldn't make a difference. Well, if it wouldn't change anything, why risk it?

[Krazypoison]

that's a bs thing to do for sure, doesn't show sportmanship at all.
Btw here's a gif of the moment when they tried to grease him up, that was a very little amount of vaseline and it dind't influence the fight at all, even more because they've been busted and gsp has been cleaned immediatly.

http://www.fightlinker.com/pics/gspgrease.gif

[stulecanem]

that's a bs thing to do for sure, doesn't show sportmanship at all.
Btw here's a gif of the moment when they tried to grease him up, that was a very little amount of vaseline and it dind't influence the fight at all, even more because they've been busted and gsp has been cleaned immediatly.

http://www.fightlinker.com/pics/gspgrease.gif

I don't see GSP as being the type to cheat. Cornermen on the other hand.....


I think that guy should never be allowed to corner a fight again.

[___]

I'm a GSP fan, but he has been accused before. In fact, I saw a guy on SD on Friday who had claimed it before. Someone who was obviously 'in the know' with some backstage stuff. The argument 'GSP is a good guy and wouldn't do that' is ridiculous. None of us know him or his motives/thoughts.

[vincent_vega]

I'm surprised that nigger didn't rub the vaseline on GSP's dick, he rubbed it everywhere else.

[___]

that's a bs thing to do for sure, doesn't show sportmanship at all.
Btw here's a gif of the moment when they tried to grease him up, that was a very little amount of vaseline and it dind't influence the fight at all, even more because they've been busted and gsp has been cleaned immediatly.

http://www.fightlinker.com/pics/gspgrease.gif

I don't want to hear this argument one more fucking time. It MOST LIKELY didn't change anything, but to say it flat out didn't is being ignorant.

And 'a very small amount?' Have you ever touched vaseline? A little goes a long way. Especially if he's already sweaty. Do me a favor, work up a good sweat, rub some on your dick, and then give it a quick wipe with a towel. See if it's slippery.

[JamesArk]

Slippery dick ftw

[Krazypoison]

I don't see GSP as being the type to cheat. Cornermen on the other hand.....


I think that guy should never be allowed to corner a fight again.

Gsp is the perfect fighter, he and his trainers think about everything can happen in a fight, you can see this by the way he controls his fights paying attention to score points to win rounds.
I'm not sure if he was or wasn't aware of that vaseline thing but i see the chance of them

Gsp is the perfect fighter, he and his trainers think about everything can happen in a fight, you can see this by the way he controls his fights paying attention to score points to win rounds.
I'm not sure if he was or wasn't aware about that vaseline thing (but i think he was) but i see the chance of them thinking about "Hey, if we can somewhat put a little quantity of vaseline on his shoulders he could be 2% more slippery", i'm sure they consider every single variable in a fight.
Said so, i repeat that vaseline didn't influence the fight and bj penn got demolished.

[___]

If you think that they cheated, and they risked getting it overturned, but it made no difference and gave no advantage to them, you're not only flat wrong, but retarded.

And you're contradicting yourself. 'They thought this would give them an advantage, but at the same time, it won't influence the fight.'

[Krazypoison]

I don't want to hear this argument one more fucking time. It MOST LIKELY didn't change anything, but to say it flat out didn't is being ignorant.

And 'a very small amount?' Have you ever touched vaseline? A little goes a long way. Especially if he's already sweaty. Do me a favor, work up a good sweat, rub some on your dick, and then give it a quick wipe with a towel. See if it's slippery.

That "most likely" statement shows you are only a blind nuthugger, it clearly didn't.
I've had some muay thai fights in my life so i guess i know vaseline better than you , after you put it over someone's forehead what remains in yout hands isn't enough to grease someone's else forehead , you can imagine what that little amount can do to shoulders or back of an already sweat fighter.

[___]

That "most likely" statement shows you are only a blind nuthugger, it clearly didn't.

I'm going to withdraw from this debate and only chat with people whose IQ has at least a slight edge over Forrest Gump's. :rofl:

[Krazypoison]

If you think that they cheated, and they risked getting it overturned, but it made no difference and gave no advantage to them, you're not only flat wrong, but retarded.

And you're contradicting yourself. 'They thought this would give them an advantage, but at the same time, it won't influence the fight.'

you're such an asshole.
They did that to have an advantage in the fight, but because they've been busted (and the inspectors cleaned gsp's back) it didn't influence the fight.
Do you understand it right now?

[Tsar]

go back to sherdog, faggots.

:goatse:

[___]

you're such an asshole.
They did that to have an advantage in the fight, but because they've been busted (and the inspectors cleaned gsp's back) it didn't influence the fight.
Do you understand it right now?

They cheated to have an advantage in the fight? :um:

And if you think that after smearing vaseline on someone's back that a quick swipe of the towel will clean it all off, once again, you're retarded.

[Krazypoison]

I'm going to withdraw from this debate and only chat with people whose IQ has at least a slight edge over Forrest Gump's. :rofl:

:sleepy:

[Krazypoison]

They cheated to have an advantage in the fight? :um:

And if you think that after smearing vaseline on someone's back that a quick swipe of the towel will clean it all off, once again, you're retarded.

Whatever man, you're just once again showing me you're an asshole, everytime someone has an opinion different than yours you just say he's retarded.

[___]

Well I'd much rather be an ass and right, you would obviously prefer to be retarded and wrong, so I guess we can both be happy.

[Tsar]

Whatever man, you're just once again showing me you're an asshole, everytime someone has an opinion different than yours you just say he's retarded.

review your blind nuthugger comment above, please.

[Krazypoison]

review your blind nuthugger comment above, please.

lol,what he posted before wasn't top class

[Krazypoison]

Well I'd much rather be an ass and right, you would obviously prefer to be retarded and wrong, so I guess we can both be happy.

:selfpwn:

[Tsar]

lol,what he posted before wasn't top class.

sorry, but you should be used to wig by now.

[ArtardFiesta]

BJ is just trying to make excuses, this isnt the 1st time his camp has came up with some BS excuse after they lost a fight.

Even if there was some vasoline on GSP's back that would have not done anything to change the outcome of the fight, bj still would of been on his back getting dominated

[___]

sorry, but you should be used to wig by now.

I tend to lose my couth around the mentally challenged.

[___]

Even if there was some vasoline on GSP's back that would have not done anything to change the outcome of the fight

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

[Krazypoison]

sorry, but you should be used to wig by now.

Not yet, he has ups and downs, sometimes he seems like someone you can talk about mma with and sometimes he's just a pain in the ass.

[JamesArk]

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

Durrr, Accident?

[ArtardFiesta]

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

If you think it was intentional your a moron, im sure they intended to smear some vasoline on his traps, thats really gonna do a lot.

[ArtardFiesta]

I havent been on much over the weekend, im glad to see the trolls are still going at full force

[gumby]

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

Have you read Jackson's rebuttal?

[Tsar]

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

mmaweekly has a story about the cornerman performing a ritual wherein certain parts of the torso are touched, having absent-mindedly forgotten to wipe off his fingers.

^^^very convoluted explanation.

they should have just said he forgot he had vaseline on his fingers and left out the ritual bit.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8107&zoneid=2

[Krazypoison]

Please, please, please, one person please answer a very simple question. I will say it slowly for the challenged:

Why. Do. It. Then?

is my english that bad?
They did that to have an advantage in the fight, but because they've been busted (and the inspectors cleaned gsp's back) it didn't influence the fight.
That little amount of vaseline (yes little amount, because that was just the vaseline which remained in the cornerman's hands after he greased gsp's forehead) was taken away by the inspectores.
If you think they didn't take it away after cleaning gsp you're just trolling.

[godzillad]

I don't want to hear this argument one more fucking time. It MOST LIKELY didn't change anything, but to say it flat out didn't is being ignorant.

And 'a very small amount?' Have you ever touched vaseline? A little goes a long way. Especially if he's already sweaty. Do me a favor, work up a good sweat, rub some on your dick, and then give it a quick wipe with a towel. See if it's slippery.

Somebody else would have to rub it on his dick to keep it true.

[Albertan]

lol Dana is a chump he better not let BJ come up in weight again.

Bjs chance to be an all time great is tarnished by himself. Stay at 155 clean house and force the UFC to bring in a boat load of fresh top flight talent.

[Demon Cobras]

Haha, it's ok guys. GSP didn't cheat, this was just a method his witch doctor preforms on him....

[___]

If you think it was intentional your a moron, im sure they intended to smear some vasoline on his traps, thats really gonna do a lot.

Word of advice: Try using the correct your/you're if your going to place it two words prior to calling someone a moron.

If you think they didn't take it away after cleaning gsp you're just trolling.

Vaseline is not something that can be just easily wiped away with a quick swipe of a towel. I don't even see how this is a point.


mmaweekly has a story about the cornerman performing a ritual wherein certain parts of the torso are touched, having absent-mindedly forgotten to wipe off his fingers.

^^^very convoluted explanation.

they should have just said he forgot he had vaseline on his fingers and left out the ritual bit.


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8107&zoneid=2

This is my favorite part. Basically saying 'if we were going to cheat, we would have made it so obvious the nose bleed seats could see it. That's what smart cheaters do.'

“If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back

[___]

Durrr, Accident?

If it was an accident why did Penn's corner warn them to watch out for it since he's been suspected in the past?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Oh wig crying can't say I'm surprised. Hey wig BJ sure did a great job at getting his ass beat huh? Did you see his face after the second round? His spirit was crushed, they could have called the fight right there.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine bj penn fan excuse number 105

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Before you even respond just remember the only people whining about this are the BJ Penn fans like yourself.

[___]

I said it probably didn't affect the outcome, but nobody can know that for sure. Only WR followers can't understand that.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

look
http://i40.tinypic.com/2n7kpdl.gif

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I said it probably didn't affect the outcome, but nobody can know that for sure. Only WR followers can't understand that.

Then call for a rematch you idiotic prick see what happens, I bet gsp TKO's him late in the 2nd or at the end of the 3rd. That would make more sense than simply whining about something that's been completely blown out of proportion like it's going to change the outcome.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

If that's what you have to tell yourself to justify the absolute destruction GSP handed him more power to you. He was beaten by a bigger, better fighter. His chubby ass doesn't belong at 170, he can move back to 155 and lose to Kenny Florian now. I'm sure there will be excuses for that one too.

[___]

"I was in the Octagon and they came in screaming: 'On his face! On his face!' I really didn't know what they were saying," Nurse said of NSAC inspectors. "I see it now."

lol

[ArtardFiesta]

Word of advice: Try using the correct your/you're if your going to place it two words prior to calling someone a moron.



lol, uh oh here we go again its fucking grammar time, im on a forum you fucking doosh, the last thing im worried about is using correct grammar

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

The fighters of Greg Jackson’s team are no strangers to ritual inside the Octagon. First there’s the “Jackson nipple tweak,” a bizarre, if amusing, twist of the nipples his fighters often do before fighting, believed to prepare them for intense battle inside the Octagon. Now, there appears to be a new ritual in Jackson’s camp, and it’s the source of controversy following Georges St. Pierre’s rout of B.J. Penn at Saturday’s UFC 94.

St. Pierre’s cornermen, including Jackson, were at the center of a storm at UFC 94 after officials from the Nevada State Athletic Commission approached them during the fight to investigate allegations that they were applying Vasoline to St. Pierre in between rounds.

Jackson spoke to MMAWeekly.com on Sunday afternoon and said the misunderstanding arose after Phil Nurse, one of St. Pierre’s cornermen, executed a ritual taught by a member of St. Pierre’s team, a “witch doctor” named Steven Friend.

“So in between rounds, (Friend) had this little drill that you do – and Phil Nurse is the one who knows how to do it – he showed Phil, and this is what Georges wanted, so we did that,” Jackson said. “But this is why we were doing it. He rubbed your back and tapped your chest; I don’t know exactly how it works. But anyways, what that’s supposed to do is get your energy in line, or motivated or whatever. So in between rounds, we had Phil Nurse do that.”

Jackson said St. Pierre has worked with Friend for years, since the French Canadian began training at Jackson’s academy in Albuquerque, N.M. Jackson says Friend has also worked with Matt Hughes and Randy Couture in preparation for their fights. Friend was featured in the sixth season of “The Ultimate Fighter” as a guest of Hughes.

“The controversy came because Phil Nurse also was putting Vasoline on Georges’ eyebrows,” Jackson elaborated. “In between rounds, you always want to put on Vasoline on (a fighter’s face). So Phil Nurse put all the Vasoline on his face, so his hands might have had a miniscule amount left over from that, when he went around the side and rubbed a little point on his back, and tapped on his chest.

“At that point, somebody in the audience thought we were greasing George down, and ran over and told the commission that we were greasing his body down. The commission came in and said ‘you can’t grease him down,’ which didn’t work. They said ‘you’re putting Vasoline on his back,’ and Phil’s like, ‘oh, there might be a little on my fingers, but it wasn’t intentional at all, and of course they wiped it right off and it was gone, so it wasn’t a factor in the fight at all.”

Indeed, much of the fight played out with St. Pierre on top of Penn, doling out a vicious ground and pound attack. Jackson said after a little explaining, the commission realized what was going on.

“We told our side of the story, we said didn’t mean to put any grease anywhere,” he said. “If we were trying to grease the back we’d be greasing up and down, we would make it count. We wouldn’t do a little tiny spot in the back. The whole thing doesn’t make any sense, so they were fine with it once we gave our explanation. It wasn’t like we were taking gobs of Vasoline and slathering on his back. They didn’t understand the drill that the witch doctor was having us do, and so it looked that way. It didn’t effect the fight at all.”

At this point, no formal complaint has been filed with the NSAC. The popular trainer chalks the whole incident up to fan paranoia.

“The whole greasing thing is pretty ridiculous,” he said. “You can’t grease somebody up. You just couldn’t do it. They check your body before you get into the cage, there’s an inspector right there. In order for us to grease him up, it would be insane. There are cameras everywhere. We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”

Jackson said he wasn’t aware if St. Pierre’s ritual was related to the infamous “nipple tweak,” as the whole business was “out of his domain.” As long as it made his fighter feel better, he was all for it.

“If it works, we’re going to use it,” he said.
there you go

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Like I said don't make dumbass excuses if you dont want anything to change. All it looks like is that you're bitching. It would make more sense to say it did (if it actually happened in the first place) affect the outcome of the fight. The way you all are going about it now you just like upset bitches.

[super hot]

GSP = Cheater

[___]

I said it 'most likely' didn't affect anything. Nobody knows, and it could have been the difference. GSP and his camp thought they needed to cheat to get an edge.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I said it 'most likely' didn't affect anything. Nobody knows, and it could have been the difference. GSP and his camp thought they needed to cheat to get an edge.

We don’t cheat. We don’t need to cheat to win.”
:neutral:

[super hot]

Sounds like Jackson really put a lot of thought into that lie.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

All you are doing is exactly what I've said; bitching. How'd you feel seeing your boy get dominated by GSP wig? Feel good? Remember that talk we had about the fight getting finished? Well guess who nailed it--yours truly.

[___]

What do you expect him to say? lol

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Now I get to lol just lol again when he gets his ass beat by Kenny Florian

[___]

All you are doing is exactly what I've said; bitching. How'd you feel seeing your boy get dominated by GSP wig? Feel good? Remember that talk we had about the fight getting finished? Well guess who nailed it--yours truly.

I didn't know there was going to be cheating involved.