Good article about BJ Penn and his whiney camp

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I've sat and read MMA news all morning, and I can't help but feel sick over what we're seeing. On Saturday night, BJ Penn was utterly destroyed. He lost in every area of the fight, never sniffed a submission, and was taken apart in every way possible.

The egos involved with the Penn camp are really the driving force behind this story. After having talked so much trash and guaranteed victory, they are hanging onto a final thread to avoid having to talk about why BJ Penn wasn't even on GSP's level as a fighter.

I can't help laughing when I see Valentino claim Penn's strategy was to fight off his back. Is that why he fought the takedown so hard in the first round?

Phil Nurse made an idiotic mistake, but the only duplicity here is on the part of Team Penn, which is attempting to burn down the entire sport to protect Penn's image. Despite his attitude, I've always had a great deal of respect for BJ Penn. If he has any integrity at all, he will call off the people in his camp, and make a direct statement to the press that Georges St. Pierre beat him because he's simply a much better fighter. For a guy that has been around for so long, it's the least he can do.

Watching a number of fighters who've been destroyed by St. Pierre come out and take the opportunity to cast clouds over their losses is equally pathetic. I half expect Jay Hieron to allege St. Pierre used brass knuckles. If Penn and his team decide to actually pursue a formal complaint, Penn will trash his legacy and cement himself as a despised whiner.

Only BJ Penn can decide whether to pour gas on the flames of this non-story, or to put the fire out and move on. The ball is in your court, BJ.

Update: See Luke's post above. BJ Penn accepted the results, even if others don't. He does have the integrity I hoped he had, and I'm glad he's accepting reality instead of fighting it.
And there you have it

[gumby]

you wrote that

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/2/744666/if-bj-penn-has-a-shred-of

[stulecanem]

And there you have it

That's awesome.

I thought you did write that but I can see by the link to the story you didn't or your name is Michael Rome :sherlock:

In any event, that's well written. Awesome post. Freals.

[super hot]

don't care. GSP is still a cheater

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

mante's trolling is like watching a mexican pull the string on a lawnmower and never getting it to start

[super hot]

mante's trolling is like watching a mexican pull the string on a lawnmower and never getting it to start

Lawnmower's don't have strings.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

yeah and there is no spoon

whoa
http://emeraldcityguy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/keanu-reeves.jpg

[Demon Cobras]

BJ > GSP. GSP cheated, the win will be changed to a no contest due to his cheating tactics.

[___]

So a GSP fan put it all in prospective for us. I feel much better now.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Hey you can still run around and troll poorly all you want wig, it won't change the outcome of the fight or the fact GSP dominated BJ, but you know if it makes you feel better go for it.

[___]

If GSP can cheat and continue to get away with it, he should go ahead. I'm not the one who has to look a cheater in the mirror.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

See that's the spirit wig, sometimes seeing a fighter we like lose is a tough pill to swallow and we just have to find ways to get the frustration out of our system

[Demon Cobras]

I really lost some respek for GSP. I knew he couldn't beat guys the caliber of Mayhem and BJ without cheating. He probably greased on Hughes and Trigg too.

[___]

Quick question: Is greasing cheating?

This is a yes/no type of thing just in case that's too hard to comprehend.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I think you should add some color to your newfound outlet wig, you know maybe add some gifs or perhaps that neato motivational poster of Penn vs St. Pierre 1 that has a hilarious message about stalling

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

The good thing is you've found a way of dealing with the disappointment

[ArtardFiesta]

its almost time for a batista bomb

[___]

I think you should add some color to your newfound outlet wig, you know maybe add some gifs or perhaps that neato motivational poster of Penn vs St. Pierre 1 that has a hilarious message about stalling

I think that you are just smart enough that you realized my question -- however simple it is -- backs you into a hole.

So you decide to be faggot and avoid it.

Ask me a question like "did GSP win Saturday?" and I would gladly answer. See, not everyone is a pussy.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Hey wig I think there's 1-2 pictures of BJ throwing punches I saw on a website earlier. None of them looked like they connected and they'll be hard to find as it's only 2 out of about 98 pictures, the latter of which consist of GSP beating BJ's head in but I just thought I'd throw that out there in case you wanted some material.

[stulecanem]

The whole thing is really unfortunate.

All trolling or BJ hate aside this is a real bummer.

GSP beat the hell out of him and showed he's in a completely different class.

Yet it IS tainted. GSP is my favorite fighter and I am upset that this fight will always have an asterisk even in my opinion.

Based on the way the fight went down I think it had very little impact in any event. BJ is no longer in the same league as GSP. He can't handle his striking OR his wreslting and on top of that he's much smaller.

Doesn't matter though and it never will. The fight IS tainted.

[HHJ]

The whole thing is really unfortunate.

All trolling or BJ hate aside this is a real bummer.

GSP beat the hell out of him and showed he's in a completely different class.

Yet it IS tainted. GSP is my favorite fighter and I am upset that this fight will always have an asterisk even in my opinion.

Based on the way the fight went down I think it had very little impact in any event. BJ is no longer in the same league as GSP. He can't handle his striking OR his wreslting and on top of that he's much smaller.

Doesn't matter though and it never will. The fight IS tainted.

thats how i feel

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

The whole thing is really unfortunate.

All trolling or BJ hate aside this is a real bummer.

GSP beat the hell out of him and showed he's in a completely different class.

Yet it IS tainted. GSP is my favorite fighter and I am upset that this fight will always have an asterisk even in my opinion.

Based on the way the fight went down I think it had very little impact in any event. BJ is no longer in the same league as GSP. He can't handle his striking OR his wreslting and on top of that he's much smaller.

Doesn't matter though and it never will. The fight IS tainted.

I don't see it that way at all, it's just Penn's butthurt camp scrambling for excuses. If that's the case stool, let them rematch. Let's see how that would go. Of course there would no doubt be excuses at the conclusion (which is a foregone one) too

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I'm waiting for the Dana White video where he calls you all soft assed faggots that need to shut the fuck up because BJ fucking lost so fucking deal with it

[ArtardFiesta]

I don't see it that way at all, it's just Penn's butthurt camp scrambling for excuses. If that's the case stool, let them rematch. Let's see how that would go. Of course there would no doubt be excuses at the conclusion (which is a foregone one) too

With this BS GSP would destroy his ass even worse in a rematch

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Sorry but if you're going to desperately clutch onto something as minute as that, start calling for a rematch. Do that rather than whine and bitch. GSP can beat the shit out of him again. I don't think GSP would have a problem with that.

[___]

Your avoidance to a simple question is unbelievable.

[Snacks]

This doesn't change the fact that GSP did in fact cheat. You people may complain about BJ Penn's "whining", but in comparison it's far less of an affront than blatant cheating.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

With this BS GSP would destroy his ass even worse in a rematch

That's what they wanted to begin with, to tarnish GSP's victory and take away from his dominant performance. For me I'm just as pleased now as I was when GSP was bouncing his head off the mat like a cabbage patch speed bag.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Your avoidance to a simple question is unbelievable.

No GSP didn't cheat, if he had the commission would have stopped the fight and disqualified him. It's been blown out of proportion, it's a sad effort to divert attention from how badly GSP beat BJ. It's like this every-single-time BJ loses, there is always an excuse. He got dominated, plain and simple. If you and a few others have to tell yourself GSP cheated to feel better, by all means do it. I know watching a fighter you like lose emphatically can be hard, but we all have ways of dealing with it and I'm happy you've found yours.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Really it's quite a good failsafe, I mean there is pretty much zero chance they'll rematch so you all can cling to this one for as long as BJ continues to fight without consequence.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

just checking in case it got overturned
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="608"><tbody><tr><td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" height="25" width="70">Result </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="99">Opponent </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="125">Method </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="125">Event Title </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="84">Date </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="47">Round </td> <td class="HeaderOrange" align="center" width="58">Time </td> </tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> <td> http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/bgd/spacer.gif </td> </tr> <tr align="center"> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd" height="30"> Win </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> B.J. Penn (http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/BJ-Penn-1307) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">TKO (Corner Stoppage) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd"> UFC 94 - St. Pierre vs. Penn 2 (http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-94-St-Pierre-vs-Penn-2-8465) </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">1/31/2009 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">4 </td> <td class="Txt11Gray OddBgd">5:00</td></tr></tbody></table>nope everything looks good to me

[stulecanem]

thats how i feel

Heartbreaking.

Doesn;t matter, GSP would ruin him even worse if they fought again.

[Holic]

http://www.sounddecision.biz/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/GREASE-LOGO.gif

[___]

The whole thing is really unfortunate.

All trolling or BJ hate aside this is a real bummer.

GSP beat the hell out of him and showed he's in a completely different class.

Yet it IS tainted. GSP is my favorite fighter and I am upset that this fight will always have an asterisk even in my opinion.

Based on the way the fight went down I think it had very little impact in any event. BJ is no longer in the same league as GSP. He can't handle his striking OR his wreslting and on top of that he's much smaller.

Doesn't matter though and it never will. The fight IS tainted.


If it hadn't been rumored prior to the fight, and then guys like Mayhem coming out and saying he did it to him (who has nothing to gain at this point), it wouldn't be so bad.

GSP was definitely in my top 5 favorite fighters, now I dislike him.

As opposed to WR, integrity means a little something to some. And the fact is, he cheated. And he knew it. One time is a mistake, several times is a habit.

[___]

Heartbreaking.

Doesn;t matter, GSP would ruin him even worse if they fought again.

Very, very simple question: Then why do it?

[Holic]

Is it just me, or is GSP the greasiest nigga you ever seen in your life? Every time GSP comes on, I gotta wipe the grease off the screen! Can't see shit! GSP must have been on. Even the police can't catch his ass, 'cause every time they try, he just slips out! They be like, "Somebody throw some sand on that nigga! Please!"

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Integrity, lol you cheer for BJ and back up his bullshit claims and you speak of integrity

[super hot]

GSP cheating doesn't surprise me. I think all his fights should be reviewed and over turned if there is evidence of greasing.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

For me it ends with Penn quitting in his corner like a heartless outclassed piece of shit and GSP with his hand raised in the victory.

[___]

No GSP didn't cheat, if he had the commission would have stopped the fight and disqualified him. It's been blown out of proportion, it's a sad effort to divert attention from how badly GSP beat BJ. It's like this every-single-time BJ loses, there is always an excuse. He got dominated, plain and simple. If you and a few others have to tell yourself GSP cheated to feel better, by all means do it. I know watching a fighter you like lose emphatically can be hard, but we all have ways of dealing with it and I'm happy you've found yours.

You're prancing around the question. It was 'is greasing cheating?' Then I clarified that it was a yes/no question. Nothing was said about GSP, or Penn, or anyone else. Was it too simple?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

If Penn, his camp and his fans can't accept the fact he was thoroughly dominated, oh well you know, boofuckinghoo.

[___]

Integrity, lol you cheer for BJ and back up his bullshit claims and you speak of integrity

Matt Serra and Mayhem are just liars too then?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

You're prancing around the question. It was 'is greasing cheating?' Then I clarified that it was a yes/no question. Nothing was said about GSP, or Penn, or anyone else. Was it too simple?

Did you listen to greg jackson's interview today? Or even read this thread? They weren't greasing him down purposely, it was a miniscule amount of vaseline and was wiped off by the commission once it was spotted. If there had been any proof of actual greasing, he would have been disqualified or the fight would be overturned.

[___]

If Penn, his camp and his fans can't accept the fact he was thoroughly dominated, oh well you know, boofuckinghoo.

That's where you're logic fails you. He did get dominated, nobody is refuting that. But at the very least, he thought he needed to CHEAT to win.

He cheated. He dominated. These are the only FACTS that we have. Saying this would have happened, this wouldn't have changed, etc. is all completely arbitrary, and the fact is, none of us KNOW.

[___]

Did you listen to greg jackson's interview today? Or even read this thread? They weren't greasing him down purposely, it was a miniscule amount of vaseline and was wiped off by the commission once it was spotted. If there had been any proof of actual greasing, he would have been disqualified or the fight would be overturned.

Greg Jackson defended GSP? No way . . .

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I'm just glad you're getting this out of your system wig, it seems like you need it

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

That's where you're logic fails you. He did get dominated, nobody is refuting that. But at the very least, he thought he needed to CHEAT to win.

He cheated. He dominated. These are the only FACTS that we have. Saying this would have happened, this wouldn't have changed, etc. is all completely arbitrary, and the fact is, none of us KNOW.

Where's the proof of actual greasing? The NSAC complaint? The disqualification? The overturning of the fight? Ok.

[___]

I'm the one who should be proud of you, really. The ability to completely ignore any and all facts, just make things up in your head to give you confidence by living your life through an ultimate fighter is quite impressive.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Keep going wig I think this is helping you cope very well

[___]

Where's the proof of actual greasing? The NSAC complaint? The disqualification? The overturning of the fight? Ok.

The proof? I'd say a video of it is pretty much good for me.

[Snacks]

Randleman's trolling is rather weak.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I think it's hilarious personally. GSP dominated BJ and his fans are so upset they'll say anything they can.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Randleman's trolling is rather weak.

You thought BJ had a chance vs GSP and now you're just making excuses.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Well fellas if it takes the sting out just feel free to continue.

[super hot]

I'm the one who should be proud of you, really. The ability to completely ignore any and all facts, just make things up in your head to give you confidence by living your life through an ultimate fighter is quite impressive.

It's cause WR is blinded by his nut huggery of GSP

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

mante is upset too and I think this thread can be the perfect place for all of the angry and hurt BJ Penn fans to band together and make a concerted effort towards finding eventual peace. As I said witnessing such a one-sided domination of one of your favorite fighters is never easy, but there are ways to make it through. Just remember to support each other in this endeavor, and I think all of you will come out alright in the end.

[___]

Uh oh, WR is typing paragraphs no one will bother to read again.

[Holic]

mante is upset too and I think this thread can be the perfect place for all of the angry and hurt BJ Penn fans to band together and make a concerted effort towards finding eventual peace. As I said witnessing such a one-sided domination of one of your favorite fighters is never easy, but there are ways to make it through. Just remember to support each other in this endeavor, and I think all of you will come out alright in the end.

Spoken like a true graduate of the life after Arlovski 12 step recovery program

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p165/newlenoxrebels12/GeorgesStPierre.jpg

[Barack Lesnar]

I really lost some respek for GSP. I knew he couldn't beat guys the caliber of Mayhem and BJ without cheating. He probably greased on Hughes and Trigg too.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Barack Lesnar]

I think that you are just smart enough that you realized my question -- however simple it is -- backs you into a hole.

So you decide to be faggot and avoid it.

Ask me a question like "did GSP win Saturday?" and I would gladly answer. See, not everyone is a pussy.

you also made endless excuses for gsp winning the 1st fight, this is nothing new

[___]

you also made endless excuses for gsp winning the 1st fight, this is nothing new

BS. GSP won the first fight hands down. It was close, but he did enough to win. I've never said otherwise.

[Mickey]

It is unbelievable that fans of Penn will stoop to new levels of low in order to save some face for BJ. There was no way that GSP was ever in danger of losing this fight.

Everyone talks of how slick BJ's ground game is, how his flexibility is amazing. Did he even attempt a sub in that fight?

So now you trolls and retards are going to come back with, he was greased and couldnt work his high guard. You mean to tell me that a world champion in Jiu Jitsu has no idea how to work if he cant establish a high guard? Give me a break.

The fact that people now have a shred of doubt about this fight and its outcome is laughable. BJ was destroyed in every aspect of the fight. If he has realized it, how come you guys cant?

[stulecanem]

BS. GSP won the first fight hands down. It was close, but he did enough to win. I've never said otherwise.

I will vouch for this. We've argued about RD1 but you've never said BJ won to my knowledge.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

It is unbelievable that fans of Penn will stoop to new levels of low in order to save some face for BJ. There was no way that GSP was ever in danger of losing this fight.

Everyone talks of how slick BJ's ground game is, how his flexibility is amazing. Did he even attempt a sub in that fight?

So now you trolls and retards are going to come back with, he was greased and couldnt work his high guard. You mean to tell me that a world champion in Jiu Jitsu has no idea how to work if he cant establish a high guard? Give me a break.

The fact that people now have a shred of doubt about this fight and its outcome is laughable. BJ was destroyed in every aspect of the fight. If he has realized it, how come you guys cant?

Because Mickey it's all they've got. I find the whole thing hilarious personally.

[Mickey]

Because Mickey it's all they've got. I find the whole thing hilarious personally.



I would find it funny if it werent tarnishing one of the best fighters on the planets reputation. The fact that people are taking this controversy to this level is little more that laughable and completely disrespectful to me.

[___]

It is unbelievable that fans of Penn will stoop to new levels of low in order to save some face for BJ.


After your boy cheats you have the audacity to say someone for calling him out on it is 'stooping to a new level'. Hell, stool is the biggest BJ hater on the planet, but at least he's honest with himself. I wouldn't expect anything else from a Canadian fanboy with wool over his eyes though.



Everyone talks of how slick BJ's ground game is, how his flexibility is amazing. Did he even attempt a sub in that fight?

His flexibility is amazing, and his high guard is his bread and butter. Watch some videos like James Thompson and you would see this. My guess, and I'm no genius, is that it is harder for BJ to utilize his high guard on a slippery, illegal surface.

So now you trolls and retards are going to come back with, he was greased and couldn't work his high guard.

You are acting like I made up the fact that he cheated. I'm going off of what the commission did, and what other fighters are saying. Proving that he is a cheater is much easier than proving he isn't at this point.

[___]

I would find it funny if it werent tarnishing one of the best fighters on the planets reputation. The fact that people are taking this controversy to this level is little more that laughable and completely disrespectful to me.

He tarnished his own reputation. I'm not the greaser, your idol is.

I was rooting for BJ two years ago and still a GSP fan after the fight. This time, not so much.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Wig's entire argument amounts to repeating "he cheated" over and over again with little to no variance

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

someone's butthurt imo

[Reags]

Fedor grabbed the rope.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I would find it funny if it werent tarnishing one of the best fighters on the planets reputation. The fact that people are taking this controversy to this level is little more that laughable and completely disrespectful to me.

The way I see it Mickey there's no problem with finding it funny, I mean after all this is what they wanted when they started making these ridiculous claims, to tarnish GSP's dominant victory. I heard about this shit and the first thing I thought of was "wow what a bunch of crybaby faggots" and "lol" and I'm still of the same mind.

[___]

Fedor grabbed the rope.

GSP grabbed shorts, too.

[___]

He can't stand not cheating.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

BJ Penn got owned

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

After seeing him get his ass beat so badly I'm convinced Kenny Florian is going to handle him fairly easily. I'm anticipating a "Florian had quarters in his gloves" excuse after that one.

[super hot]

I believe that Florian is going to beat BJ.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Probably not as badly as GSP beat BJ but I still see Florian doing it. BJ looked like a sack of shit in that fight, he didn't even belong in the same Octagon as GSP.

[Barack Lesnar]

Matt Serra and Mayhem are just liars too then?

lol, bj penn and matt serra, 2 of the biggest pieces of shit in the sport

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

lol, bj penn and matt serra, 2 of the biggest pieces of shit in the sport

Matt Serra didn't do shit but get crushed into a ball and kneed the fuck out of, how does what he says matter?

[___]

After seeing him get his ass beat so badly I'm convinced Kenny Florian is going to handle him fairly easily. I'm anticipating a "Florian had quarters in his gloves" excuse after that one.


I would av bet you, but we both know you would deny it.

[Barack Lesnar]

mante is upset too and I think this thread can be the perfect place for all of the angry and hurt BJ Penn fans to band together and make a concerted effort towards finding eventual peace. As I said witnessing such a one-sided domination of one of your favorite fighters is never easy, but there are ways to make it through. Just remember to support each other in this endeavor, and I think all of you will come out alright in the end.

first gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he stalled
hughes fight: wahhhhhhhhh i broke my rib
second gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he greased

florian fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he has pointy elbows, that's why i got the shit beat out of me

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I would av bet you, but we both know you would deny it.

I told you I av bet you at fwi but I dont post there now, I dont remember betting you here

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

first gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he stalled
hughes fight: wahhhhhhhhh i broke my rib
second gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he greased

florian fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he has pointy elbows, that's why i got the shit beat out of me

Basically yeah that sums it up

[___]

first gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he stalled
hughes fight: wahhhhhhhhh i broke my rib
second gsp fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he greased

florian fight: wahhhhhhhhhhhh he has pointy elbows, that's why i got the shit beat out of me

Now you I will bet. How long? 6 months?

[Barack Lesnar]

BS. GSP won the first fight hands down. It was close, but he did enough to win. I've never said otherwise.

i remember you kept posting that same motivation pic before this fight

[___]

I told you I av bet you at fwi but I dont post there now, I dont remember betting you here

After you were banned from there I asked if you would honor it and you responded, 'of course.' It was a couple months ago as our original bet was in Nov. and I can't be arsed to search that hard.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I told you I'd bet you on the upcoming UFN card

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Also you heard it here first

Kenny Florian TKO BJ Penn because Chuck Liddell makes The Pit sign cageside

[Barack Lesnar]

GSP grabbed shorts, too.

:rofl:

[Barack Lesnar]

After seeing him get his ass beat so badly I'm convinced Kenny Florian is going to handle him fairly easily. I'm anticipating a "Florian had quarters in his gloves" excuse after that one.

yeah, i agree, people give florian too little credit. he disposed of joe daddy in exactly 1 round less than bj did. just everyone remembers the blood in the bj fight

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

BJ looked like shit against GSP, he was gassed after the first and did absolutely nothing but get his ass beat.

[___]

i remember you kept posting that same motivation pic before this fight

I was pumping up and rooting for Penn. I thought he did more damage. I also thought GSP won that fight according to the rules they both agreed to, even if they aren't prefect.

But GSP won the 1st and 2nd fight. No arguments there.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Though I think that's more a credit to GSP making him look like a piece of shit than anything else.

[Barack Lesnar]

Now you I will bet. How long? 6 months?

bet on what? kenflo?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

I was pumping up and rooting for Penn. I thought he did more damage. I also thought GSP won that fight according to the rules they both agreed to, even if they aren't prefect.

But GSP won the 1st and 2nd fight. No arguments there.

Hahahahaha I bet you were a sad boy saturday night hahahahahahaha

[___]

I told you I'd bet you on the upcoming UFN card

I'm not really interested in any of the fights enough to bet. Plus, I already won the bet we had in place. Why would I agree to needing to win two bets?

:rofl:

He didn't?

[___]

bet on what? kenflo?

Yeah.

Hahahahaha I bet you were a sad boy saturday night hahahahahahaha

I was pretty upset. Much like you were a week ago, I presume.

[Barack Lesnar]

I'm not really interested in any of the fights enough to bet. Plus, I already won the bet we had in place. Why would I agree to needing to win two bets?



He didn't?

http://www.turkishforums.net/TCM/image.php?u=41&dateline=1232995543

[Barack Lesnar]

Yeah.





2 weeks

[Barack Lesnar]

florian by split decision, you heard it here first

[___]

I don't make small bets.

[___]

I will even say that Penn needs to finish it to win order to make the bet happen for 6 months.

[Barack Lesnar]

I don't make small bets.

:uhoh:

[Barack Lesnar]

you're pushing me into a corner, i don't like it, not one bit

[___]

Then don't take it and concede that you're a pussy. Then we can both move on.

[Barack Lesnar]

you won't take the 2 week av bet, you're the pussy

[___]

It's below me. Not worth my time.

[Barack Lesnar]

bullshit

[___]

OK

[SexeCute]

BJ Penn will be so demoralized by this loss he will go back into his burrito diet and get beat by Florian.

[stulecanem]

That would be the ultimate capper to end his career

[___]

It's nice to see you guys still have dreams.

[SexeCute]

That would be the ultimate capper to end his career

I still don't understand when people say "You have to respect BJ for everything he has done for the sport!" What the fuck has he done? He beat Matt Hughes and left the UFC because he was a money hungry faggot. He doesn't care about winning or even the sport itself. The motherfucker loves money and that's it.

[___]

I still don't understand when people say "You have to respect BJ for everything he has done for the sport!" What the fuck has he done? He beat Matt Hughes and left the UFC because he was a money hungry faggot. He doesn't care about winning or even the sport itself. The motherfucker loves money and that's it.

Money hungry faggot? He used his own money to go out and challenge himself by fighting the best in the world.

[SexeCute]

Money hungry faggot? He used his own money to go out and challenge himself by fighting the best in the world.

You mean his parents money.

[Tsar]

Money hungry faggot? He used his own money to go out and challenge himself by fighting the best in the world.

wig's a total greaser. /irony.

they threw him out of team quest for doing the same thing--ask randy or leben.

[___]

You mean his parents money.

Either ay, you were wrong.

wig's a total greaser. /irony.

they threw him out of team quest for doing the same thing--ask randy or leben.

Leben would never turn on a fellow Portlander.

[Tsar]

^^^that should bring the discussion back into focus.

[___]

He would use his gifted mind to help me get away with it.

[___]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/13895/kizer-penn-yet-to-file-ufc-94-appeal-st-pierres-corner-could-face-action.mma

An interview with the director of the athletic commission. They didn't catch it and wipe him off until after the 3rd. After the 2nd a guy spotted when Nurse did it. Then the director caught GREG JACKSON doing it. Two people did it. Greg Jackson doesn't know better?

"At the end of the second round I watched, and then another cornerman who I believe was Greg Jackson, he put the Vaseline on Georges' face, and then he put his hand on his back to do the breathing thing they always do," Kizer said.

"There was no need for it," Kizer said of the incident in question. "It was disturbing."

"I came out of the octagon and explained to the commissioner what I saw," Kizer said. "I also motioned towards (UFC President) Dana (White) and (UFC co-owner) Lorenzo (Fertitta) so they'd know what I was doing in there. After the fight, actually both Mr. White and Mr. Fertitta both commented on how they're not sure whether those guys need to corner any other UFC's ever again. I leave that to them from a company standpoint. We'll deal with it from a commission standpoint."

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Kizer said they wiped him off after the 2nd

[___]

Show me the quote.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

go find it yourself crybaby it's there

[maxthesilent]

If it hadn't been rumored prior to the fight, and then guys like Mayhem coming out and saying he did it to him (who has nothing to gain at this point), it wouldn't be so bad.

GSP was definitely in my top 5 favorite fighters, now I dislike him.

As opposed to WR, integrity means a little something to some. And the fact is, he cheated. And he knew it. One time is a mistake, several times is a habit.

:rofl:

[___]

My point is that you could write it off as a mistake if it was a one time thing. Surely you aren't dropping to WR's level on this?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

You could have bolded that entire post Max the whole thing is laughable

[Scorpipede]

If it hadn't been rumored prior to the fight, and then guys like Mayhem coming out and saying he did it to him (who has nothing to gain at this point), it wouldn't be so bad.

GSP was definitely in my top 5 favorite fighters, now I dislike him.

As opposed to WR, integrity means a little something to some. And the fact is, he cheated. And he knew it. One time is a mistake, several times is a habit.

it's still not out of the realm of possibility that GSP didn't know. At first then hearing about this I dismissed it quickly but now it's taken on some life.

[Polish Strong Man Can]

it's still not out of the realm of possibility that GSP didn't know. At first then hearing about this I dismissed it quickly but now it's taken on some life.

Most men would know when other men are rubbing Vaseline on them.




:um:

[Scorpipede]

Most men would know when other men are rubbing Vaseline on them.




:um:

the dude is rubbing him anyway, in between rounds it's normal to get the rubdown, GSP is sweaty already...you can't fathom this?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

bigz was just trying to be funny. He didnt do an amazing job but I'm pretty sure that's what he was going for. I'll post lol here so he knows I got it.

[Scorpipede]

maybe the :um: smiley should've clued me but some people don't understand the ethics behind using a smiley...yet others do and blatantly disregard them.
:watchmen:

[Barack Lesnar]

You mean his parents money.

AHHAHAHAH :cheers:

[Demon Cobras]

Chris Leben punched my mom.

[___]

it's still not out of the realm of possibility that GSP didn't know. At first then hearing about this I dismissed it quickly but now it's taken on some life.

I doubt that his corner would repeatedly make 'mistakes' unbeknownst to the fighter over the past few years.

[ArtardFiesta]

blah blah blah, whatever. You fags just keep crying about it, it doesnt change the fact that BJ got completely dominated and would get dominated again if they fought

[ArtardFiesta]

It seems like BJ's fans are just as much of a cry baby little bitch as he is

[___]

GSP cheats to win.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Wig is just trolling, and poorly

Sherdog has a good article up about the winners/losers of UFC 94. Losers--BJ Penn, BJ Penn apologists

so not only is wig a whiner, he's a loser as well

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

A sore whiney loser

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

It seems like BJ's fans are just as much of a cry baby little bitch as he is

The best thing you can do is just let wig vent his childish frustrations, the poor guy probably had tears in his eyes as he watched GSP beat the shit out of BJ. He'll eventually get tired of whining incessantly, and even if he doesn't oh well it's his problem not ours. We know who won, and we know GSP didn't cheat to do it.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Losers

B.J. Penn apologists

No matter the social circle, any iconic figure is bound to attract the various levels of revulsion and obsequiousness that comes from fandom. In Penn's case, the strange commixture of braggadocio, real accomplishment and failed promise has created a class of Penn fans unable to view him under sober terms. Rather than acknowledging the duality of Penn's career -- that is, acknowledging what he's actually achieved while candidly recognizing his very real failures -- they prefer to resort to the most tortured logic imaginable in concocting pretext after pretext for why Penn has not delivered on what so many have (overreachingly) claimed is his destiny.

The newest canard being bandied about is that St. Pierre's corner rubbed Vaseline on his back and shoulders between rounds and that the Vaseline constitutes "cheating" on the part of St. Pierre’s team (notice that no one is saying it changed the outcome of the fight). The charge is true in that the corner clearly committed wrongdoing, but it's not the least bit clear how much Vaseline was used nor how much it impacted the fight. Most importantly, a champion like Penn deserves better than to have his shortcomings constantly re-examined because fundamentalists cannot accept what must be a very bruising reality.

[Mickey]

Has there been anyone that BJ has subbed off of his back?

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

their statements contradict his in cage actions. So far as "Winning the fight of his back" goes why did he struggle so mightily to defend the takedown? Bullshit, that's why.

[Mickey]

I agree with you the fact that it is BS. Penn has NEVER subbed anyone off of his back, so saying that is where he was planning to fight from is complete BS. That or a total lack of a gameplan.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

He didn't even look like he wanted to be there after the first. He was broken by GSP.

[Demon Cobras]

GSP cheated, the decision of the fight should be changed just like when that idiot Nick Diaz used pot to beat Gomi.

[Mickey]

GSP cheated, the decision of the fight should be changed just like when that idiot Nick Diaz used pot to beat Gomi.




You are a fucking retard and an even worse troll.

[Demon Cobras]

You are a fucking retard and an even worse troll.

:flush:

[___]

Mickey is defending a cheater. Really speaks volumes for his character.

[Demon Cobras]

Mickey is defending a cheater. Really speaks volumes for his character.

I never thought I'd see the day where people would consider a cheater a winner, he was caught red handed cheating. He should be disqualified. That's what happens when you get caught cheating.

[Mr. Thick Dick]

You are a fucking retard and an even worse troll.
I don't see any trolling. The doctor said if Diaz wasn't high on pots he would've submitted from strikes. Seems reasonable.

[Mickey]

Mickey is defending a cheater. Really speaks volumes for his character.



LOL @ you lecturing anyone about character.

[Barack Lesnar]

GSP cheated, the decision of the fight should be changed just like when that idiot Nick Diaz used pot to beat Gomi.

:neutral:

[Barack Lesnar]

I don't see any trolling. The doctor said if Diaz wasn't high on pots he would've submitted from strikes. Seems reasonable.

lol, what

[Barack Lesnar]

damn, all the motherfuckers are coming out of the woodwork

http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/2009/02/matt-hughes-says-gsp-felt-greasy-when.asp

[Saska]

damn, all the motherfuckers are coming out of the woodwork

http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/2009/02/matt-hughes-says-gsp-felt-greasy-when.asp

Yea they all say this now months/years after they got their asses beat. Why didn't they say anything when the fucking fight was actually happening? This shit is bunk.

[Mr. Thick Dick]

lol, what
seriously. a doctor actually said that shit. :rofl:

[SexeCute]

This fake cause needs to die, and so does BJ Penn.

[Barack Lesnar]

heard he's retiring

http://mmamania.com/2009/02/03/bj-penn-ufc-94-fight-against-georges-st-pierre-was-to-be-his-last/

[Gasmasker]

damn, all the motherfuckers are coming out of the woodwork

http://www.mmaweekly.com/blog/2009/02/matt-hughes-says-gsp-felt-greasy-when.asp

doesn't surprise me that matt "douche" hughes is chiming in now. god, i wish Serra could beat him.

as far BJ goes, if quits the sport now that would be pretty lame. he got his ass whipped and had to eat some words, so what? its part of the game. he needs to keep fighting , he's only 30. and Kenny deserves a shot at him. oh silly BJ, so much talent, so fun to watch, but such a flake.

[Albertan]

lol wresting < greasing

[Gay]

heard he's retiring

http://mmamania.com/2009/02/03/bj-penn-ufc-94-fight-against-georges-st-pierre-was-to-be-his-last/

He won't retire.

[Barack Lesnar]

he needs to defend against kenflo

[Demon Cobras]

GSP is pathetic. I knew he cheated against Hughes, how else would he defend from the arm bar he met the first time they fought?

[Barack Lesnar]

GSP is pathetic. I knew he cheated against Hughes, how else would he defend from the arm bar he met the first time they fought?

:neutral:

[Demon Cobras]

All of GSP's fight should be reviewed thoroughly and every fight he greased it should be stricken from his record.

[Barack Lesnar]

:handjob:

[Demon Cobras]

He should also receive a very lengthy suspension for being a greasy frenchmen.

[Barack Lesnar]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/103560/090201_gsp_gnp2.ss_full_medium.jpg

[Mickey]

Solid, stop posting pics where Penn looks all greasy and GSP looks clean.

[Barack Lesnar]

lol

[Demon Cobras]

Solid, stop posting pics where Penn looks all greasy and GSP looks clean.

That's what happens when a guy covered in Vaseline is laying on you.

[Barack Lesnar]

That's what happens when a guy covered in Vaseline is laying on you.

wahhhhhh

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g197/mmaniac21/gsppenn5.jpg

[Mickey]

That's what happens when a guy covered in Vaseline is laying on you.


If the vaseline was rubbed on his back, which was the claim....... Then BJ would have had to have taken GSPs back. Which he did not.

[Bang Bang]

BJ needs to fucking man up and fight more while practicing how to run underwater

[Decommissioner]

GSP beat BJ Penn into retirement.

[Barack Lesnar]

GSP beat BJ Penn into retirement.

:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

[Mr. Thick Dick]

shut the fuck up. seriously.

[dolly]

wahhhhhh

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g197/mmaniac21/gsppenn5.jpg

nice package

[dolly]

i would hump gsp's legs

[stulecanem]

nice package

I can't believe I missed that

[dolly]

I can't believe I missed that

seriously, especially since bj's playing footsie with it.

[Barack Lesnar]

shut the fuck up. seriously.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[HOODS]

that faggot greased, wouldn't have changed much, but cheating is cheating. Vaseline in any no gi mma gives you an edge, anyone who denies it is just stupid.

I dunno how people can deny it with the video clearly showing gsp getting greased up. Greg Jackson is a sniveling little cunt too, you can tell hes a little weasel, doesn't surprise me he uses dirty tactics. Plus gsp is a wigger, a french wigger can never be trusted.

[Snacks]

Actually, considering that GSP couldn't do shit to Penn's guard in the first bout it actually makes me wonder how much the greasing helped. I mean, consider that in the first bout, BJ held GSP down with ease using the high guard and the rubber-guard, now that GSP greased, he's suddenly shrugging both guards off with ease. Makes you wonder, don't it?

[stulecanem]

Actually, considering that GSP couldn't do shit to Penn's guard in the first bout it actually makes me wonder how much the greasing helped. I mean, consider that in the first bout, BJ held GSP down with ease using the high guard and the rubber-guard, now that GSP greased, he's suddenly shrugging both guards off with ease. Makes you wonder, don't it?

Not really

[Barack Lesnar]

Actually, considering that GSP couldn't do shit to Penn's guard in the first bout it actually makes me wonder how much the greasing helped. I mean, consider that in the first bout, BJ held GSP down with ease using the high guard and the rubber-guard, now that GSP greased, he's suddenly shrugging both guards off with ease. Makes you wonder, don't it?

:handjob:

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

Wow this is sad

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

You all are still going on about this while every mma news outlet has basically said BJ needs to quit crying? GSP didn't cheat, he dominated Penn at every aspect and made his supposed super guard look like a white belts first day on the mat.

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

:handjob:

qft man bj penn apologists need to get the fuck over it and stop whining. He lost and he lost bad, crying and saying "waaah gsp cheated waaah" over and over again won't change anything.

[Mickey]

qft man bj penn apologists need to get the fuck over it and stop whining. He lost and he lost bad, crying and saying "waaah gsp cheated waaah" over and over again won't change anything.

This shit isnt even worth a rebuttle anymore.

[Demon Cobras]

Actually, considering that GSP couldn't do shit to Penn's guard in the first bout it actually makes me wonder how much the greasing helped. I mean, consider that in the first bout, BJ held GSP down with ease using the high guard and the rubber-guard, now that GSP greased, he's suddenly shrugging both guards off with ease. Makes you wonder, don't it?

:sherlock: Yes it does...

[ArtardFiesta]

:sherlock: Yes it does...

Maybe he has improved over the years, that would be my best guess

[WAR RANDLEMAN!]

http://i40.tinypic.com/25k0oy1.jpg

[___]

This shit isnt even worth a rebuttle anymore.

Well if it isn't the resident cheat-condoner.

And lol @ people saying eh didn't cheat. Ok, ok, he just bent the rules a little.